sweetness Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Ugh, amateur film critics just might be the most annoying people in the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman007 Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 Ugh, amateur film critics just might be the most annoying people in the worldI dont see any here, just fans talking about a flick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packersnroses Posted December 27, 2011 Share Posted December 27, 2011 I'll admit there's bits and pieces of TDK that don't flow well together, but it's still one of the best movies ever made. Certainly the best Batman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid A Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) Ugh, amateur film critics just might be the most annoying people in the worldWe're just debating film. If you think you have a better opinion, then pull it out of your ass and lets hear it. Edited December 28, 2011 by Kid A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) Ugh, amateur film critics just might be the most annoying people in the worldWe're just debating film. If you think you have a better opinion, then pull it out of your ass and lets hear it.K, didn't think I would have the time for this but here I am. I'm only gunna touch on the things I really disagree with.I think you're forgetting that this is Christopher Nolan's own vision and adaptation of Batman, so all the talk of plot lines being "handled wrong" just sounds silly. I could be wrong but it seems to imply you expected the films to honor the comics more, which kind of defeats the purpose of re-visioning a previously established story. The idea behind these movies, at least how I've interpreted them, is to make the story of a rich man who dedicates his life to fighting crime in a bat suit as believable as possible, even when going up against cartoony characters like The Joker and Two Face. You complained that Two Face didn't get enough time, and suggested that he could have been the main villain for TDKR. I'll admit I was sad to see him killed off so fast, but the more I thought about it the more I realized that a whole movie of Two Face would just be too much for this story. I don't only think the Harvey Dent/Two Face character (and how he crossed paths with joker) was handled well, I think it was handled beautifully. That scene with Harvey in the hospital bed right before joker blows the place up is one of the best out of the two films imo. Lets face it, an unstable man with half of his skin burned off flipping coins to decide people's fate would only last so long in a world like this, for Nolan to maintain the realistic nature of these films I think it only makes sense for Two Face to be short lived. Initially, it did seem rushed, but going back and watching the movies again I think it fits. A full movie of Two Face would just be campy imo.Cillian Murphy did a better job as Scarecrow than Ledger did as Joker? Hmm. I'd say he did a better job of making you hate his character as a villain, but I don't think he played his role any better than Ledger played his. When I found out Ledger was playing Joker I was skeptical as fuck, but he brought that character to life in a way I never could have imagined, he almost made you believe he himself was criminally insane. Murphy was just a smart ass psychologist with some drugs, and he played the role well, but it just felt average in comparison to Ledger's joker. That will go down as one of the great villain role's in film history, and rightfully so.I think people like to be hard on The Dark Knight because of all the hype surrounding it at its release, but I really believe it lived up to it and then some. I agree that Batman Begins doesn't get it's props, and is somewhat overshadowed by TDK, but to be fair its just a more slow paced movie that's much easier for Batman fanatics like myself to enjoy than a casual movie-goer. I remember watching Begins with my girlfriend and younger brother, and while I thought it was amazing, they we're pretty bored. The same people were blown away by TDK, and maybe the hype and pop culture phenomenon surrounding it had something to do with setting them up for that, but I don't think that should discredit the film itself. It really was a great movie. Edited December 28, 2011 by sweetness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) in truth, if you changed anything in those movies, they wouldn't be a good.You could make them different, you could make them worse, you can't make them better. Edited December 28, 2011 by moreblack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl owns dexter Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 in truth, if you changed anything in those movies, they wouldn't be a good.You could make them different, you could make them worse, you can't make them better.My only complaint of both movies is how poorly done the fight scenes were in Begins. It was this close-up, couldn't see anything crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimera Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Nolan fans are like Tool/Radiohead fans. Even if the TDKR script is shit - the score, wardrobe, and production values will be tops. Sometimes, Nolan reaches too far into self-serious territory, and makes his films into self-satirizing epics. But when he restrains himself - he can accrete good shit like Batman Begins. I dig it because of the origin story, and the acting. The Dark Knight crammed too much into a flick. The pace was exhaustive, and the point was too long-winded. Nolan apologists will say "that was the intent". I disagree. Point in case: no one ever talks about Two Face's coda. Or the emotional aspect of being seduced into crime. And it's not because of being overshadowed by Ledger's acting. It was because the film was simply TOO LONG. We had TWO bookends to the story. We should have had ONE to seal TDK. With BB - ask anyone. There's a definitive emotional core. Fear. With TDK - it had two strong key points to make, and only succeeded at one. It's a shame, too. I think Two Face's story could have been really provocative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid A Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Nolan fans are like Tool/Radiohead fans. Even if the TDKR script is shit - the score, wardrobe, and production values will be tops. Sometimes, Nolan reaches too far into self-serious territory, and makes his films into self-satirizing epics. But when he restrains himself - he can accrete good shit like Batman Begins. I dig it because of the origin story, and the acting. The Dark Knight crammed too much into a flick. The pace was exhaustive, and the point was too long-winded. Nolan apologists will say "that was the intent". I disagree. Point in case: no one ever talks about Two Face's coda. Or the emotional aspect of being seduced into crime. And it's not because of being overshadowed by Ledger's acting. It was because the film was simply TOO LONG. We had TWO bookends to the story. We should have had ONE to seal TDK. With BB - ask anyone. There's a definitive emotional core. Fear. With TDK - it had two strong key points to make, and only succeeded at one. It's a shame, too. I think Two Face's story could have been really provocative.This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman007 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/why-dark-knight-rises-tickets-280492 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 i got a feeling batman is going to die in this movie i reckon he will sacrifice himself to same Gotham cityHow Christ like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman007 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 i got a feeling batman is going to die in this movie i reckon he will sacrifice himself to same Gotham cityHow Christ like.I dont think he will die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 i got a feeling batman is going to die in this movie i reckon he will sacrifice himself to same Gotham cityHow Christ like.I dont think he will die.but it may be a close call, and he retires. Wait a few years and do one based on Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman007 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 i got a feeling batman is going to die in this movie i reckon he will sacrifice himself to same Gotham cityHow Christ like.I dont think he will die.but it may be a close call, and he retires. Wait a few years and do one based on Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns...That is what might happen. It would be a good ending, rather him dying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estranged Reality Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 bane is going to be one of the greatest villains of all-time. i can just feel it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman007 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 im gonna stick by my guns and say he dies ... i can imagine a situation where he has to die to kill bane also didn't Nolan say this is the last movie?It is the last one, but still dont think he will die. They will go out with a bang though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 im gonna stick by my guns and say he dies ... i can imagine a situation where he has to die to kill bane also didn't Nolan say this is the last movie?It is the last one, but still dont think he will die. They will go out with a bang though!2 things though, Batman don't kill, and I doubt WB or DC would let the series end with his death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman007 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I really hope they dont try to reboot right after this one. It is going to take time to redo Batman again, and try to come close to Nolan`s art. I love Batman (duh) , but WB give it some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Is it really hard to underhand Band? I heard it was difficult in the prologue but I understood him in the trailer.Warner Brothers will leave Batman alone for now. They are going to try to get Superman rolling, I am not a fan of Synder but if Nolan and Goyer are involved it should be good. I loved their original idea to turn Superman into a trilogy starting with his origins and ending with the destruction of the sun. But I guess Nolan and Goyer had better ideas. DC doesn't have a lot of superheroes to market as films like Marvel. Other than Batman, I don't see how they can cash in. Superman is only relatable if he is going to die, Wonder Woman probably won't translate well in the 21st Century. Maybe if handled by the right people unlike The Green Lantern.Watchmen is one of the most underrate comic book films of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman007 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Is it really hard to underhand Band? I heard it was difficult in the prologue but I understood him in the trailer.Warner Brothers will leave Batman alone for now. They are going to try to get Superman rolling, I am not a fan of Synder but if Nolan and Goyer are involved it should be good. I loved their original idea to turn Superman into a trilogy starting with his origins and ending with the destruction of the sun. But I guess Nolan and Goyer had better ideas. DC doesn't have a lot of superheroes to market as films like Marvel. Other than Batman, I don't see how they can cash in. Superman is only relatable if he is going to die, Wonder Woman probably won't translate well in the 21st Century. Maybe if handled by the right people unlike The Green Lantern.Watchmen is one of the most underrate comic book films of all time.I am looking forward to The Man Of Steel. I think it will be done better this time. I hope they can continue the Superman story after this next one. I thought Watchmen was done very well. I need that movie in Blu Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 I just hope they suspend disbelief a bit for Superman. They are doing a Superman that will make sense in today's world since Superman's concept is dated. You can see how they had trouble selling it in Superman Returns. Origin stories tend to be less favorable to critics. It is why sequels in these series seem to do better becausr the slow origin story is done with but Superman's is by far the most beloved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Is it really hard to underhand Band? I heard it was difficult in the prologue but I understood him in the trailer.Warner Brothers will leave Batman alone for now. They are going to try to get Superman rolling, I am not a fan of Synder but if Nolan and Goyer are involved it should be good. I loved their original idea to turn Superman into a trilogy starting with his origins and ending with the destruction of the sun. But I guess Nolan and Goyer had better ideas. DC doesn't have a lot of superheroes to market as films like Marvel. Other than Batman, I don't see how they can cash in. Superman is only relatable if he is going to die, Wonder Woman probably won't translate well in the 21st Century. Maybe if handled by the right people unlike The Green Lantern.Watchmen is one of the most underrate comic book films of all time.I am looking forward to The Man Of Steel. I think it will be done better this time. I hope they can continue the Superman story after this next one. I thought Watchmen was done very well. I need that movie in Blu Ray.I loved Watchmen, but I'm not that excited for Superman.In my opinion, Snyder is the only thing really making me "interesting" in The Man Of Steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 DC doesn't have a lot of superheroes to market as films like Marvel. Other than Batman, I don't see how they can cash in. Superman is only relatable if he is going to die, Wonder Woman probably won't translate well in the 21st Century. Maybe if handled by the right people unlike The Green Lantern.Watchmen is one of the most underrate comic book films of all time.But there's a ton of cool stories they could do with their Vertigo line, like Sandman or 100 bullets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Flower Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Has anyone watched the Batman: Year One film?Thought it was great. Incredibly faithful to the book.First and foremost it's a James Gordon story. The ever-awesome Bryan Cranston (Breaking Bad) does his voice and really delivers.But the biggest surprise is Benjamin McKenzie (the dumbass rebel from The O.C.) who does the most perfect Batman voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I liked it, but only for Gordon. Everything about McKenzie voicing Batman was very wrong for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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