Vincent Vega Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 (edited) Here's my question:While CD makes it pretty easy to judge the merits and songwriting talents of Buckethead, Paul Huge, BBF and Robin in GN'R, Richard didn't really do all that much on CD as I can remember and DJ Ashba, while he has been AWESOME live hasn't done anything in the studio that's been released yet.That being said, the fact that Richard and DJ haven't contributed all that much in terms of original creativity makes me wonder why people automatically say stuff like "Richard > Paul Tobias" and "Ashba > Finck" I mean sure they may be great live players, but isn't the studio where it really counts?I mean at least with Bucket, Paul, Robin and BBF there's album of songs made or added to by them. While Ron didn't create any of the songs on CD, he makes his presence felt on quite a number of the songs, for example in soloing and his little dirty rhythm work. I don't recall any shining, stand out moments on Chinese D from Richard.... Edited December 25, 2010 by Indigo Child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsguy Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Here's my question:While CD makes it pretty easy to judge the merits of Buckethead, Paul Huge, BBF and Robin, Richard didn't really do all that much on CD and DJ Ashba, while he has been AWESOME live hasn't done anything in the studio that's been released yet.That being said, the fact that Richard and DJ haven't contributed all that much makes me wonder why people automatically say stuff like "Richard > Paul Tobias" and "Ashba > Finck" I mean sure they may be great live players, but isn't the studio where it really counts?If they can kick ass live then studio will be no troubles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA_0013 Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 (edited) I didnt say Ashba>Finck in the other thread, because I think Ashba is particularly good (although I imagine he will write some decent stuff that will go well with Axl's vocals).I said it because I didn't really rate Robin Finck in GNR, live or in the studioLA Edited December 25, 2010 by LA_0013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted December 25, 2010 Author Share Posted December 25, 2010 Here's my question:While CD makes it pretty easy to judge the merits of Buckethead, Paul Huge, BBF and Robin, Richard didn't really do all that much on CD and DJ Ashba, while he has been AWESOME live hasn't done anything in the studio that's been released yet.That being said, the fact that Richard and DJ haven't contributed all that much makes me wonder why people automatically say stuff like "Richard > Paul Tobias" and "Ashba > Finck" I mean sure they may be great live players, but isn't the studio where it really counts?If they can kick ass live then studio will be no troubles!Not necessarily. A great live player, especially one who is working with material written by others', is just interpreting another's work. That just shows they have a bit of originality and inventiveness, but it doesn't say that they're a guy who can go in and write a great song (musically I mean) or pull a great riff out of the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketQueen1985 Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Here's my question:While CD makes it pretty easy to judge the merits of Buckethead, Paul Huge, BBF and Robin, Richard didn't really do all that much on CD and DJ Ashba, while he has been AWESOME live hasn't done anything in the studio that's been released yet.That being said, the fact that Richard and DJ haven't contributed all that much makes me wonder why people automatically say stuff like "Richard > Paul Tobias" and "Ashba > Finck" I mean sure they may be great live players, but isn't the studio where it really counts?If they can kick ass live then studio will be no troubles!Not necessarily. A great live player, especially one who is working with material written by others', is just interpreting another's work. That just shows they have a bit of originality and inventiveness, but it doesn't say that they're a guy who can go in and write a great song (musically I mean) or pull a great riff out of the air.I don't know about Richard, but DJ can definetly write lyrics and come up with great riffs. Just listen to his past work. It really speaks for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA_0013 Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 (edited) A great live player, especially one who is working with material written by others', is just interpreting another's work. That just shows they have a bit of originality and inventiveness, but it doesn't say that they're a guy who can go in and write a great song (musically I mean) or pull a great riff out of the air.Just coz Robin was in the studio doesnt automatically mean he can write a great song either. Some of his output wasn't that great, considering he was in the band on and off for the best part of a decade.LA Edited December 25, 2010 by LA_0013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted December 25, 2010 Author Share Posted December 25, 2010 A great live player, especially one who is working with material written by others', is just interpreting another's work. That just shows they have a bit of originality and inventiveness, but it doesn't say that they're a guy who can go in and write a great song (musically I mean) or pull a great riff out of the air.Just coz Robin was in the studio doesnt mean he can either. Some of his output wasn't that great, considering he was in the band on and off for the best part of a decade.LAI don't know, I mean IMO his stuff in the studio was really good. Yes he was hit and miss live but then again some guitarists are like that...For example, Jimmy Page wasn't nearly as good live as he was in the studio. I'm not saying Robin is anywhere on Jimmy's level--He's not--Just giving an example of a great guitarist who is/was sloppy live but overall talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA_0013 Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 A great live player, especially one who is working with material written by others', is just interpreting another's work. That just shows they have a bit of originality and inventiveness, but it doesn't say that they're a guy who can go in and write a great song (musically I mean) or pull a great riff out of the air.Just coz Robin was in the studio doesnt mean he can either. Some of his output wasn't that great, considering he was in the band on and off for the best part of a decade.LAI don't know, I mean IMO his stuff in the studio was really good. Yes he was hit and miss live but then again some guitarists are like that...For example, Jimmy Page wasn't nearly as good live as he was in the studio. I'm not saying Robin is anywhere on Jimmy's level--He's not--Just giving an example of a great guitarist who is/was sloppy live but overall talented.Yeah that may be true. But IMO Ashba seems an all round better guitarist, especially in the live shows. As for the studio, there's nothing really that Robin wrote off his own back in all the years he was in GNR, that would make me put up with his frequent lousy playing. At least Jimmy Page, creatively, was a genius...LA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted December 25, 2010 Author Share Posted December 25, 2010 (edited) A great live player, especially one who is working with material written by others', is just interpreting another's work. That just shows they have a bit of originality and inventiveness, but it doesn't say that they're a guy who can go in and write a great song (musically I mean) or pull a great riff out of the air.Just coz Robin was in the studio doesnt mean he can either. Some of his output wasn't that great, considering he was in the band on and off for the best part of a decade.LAI don't know, I mean IMO his stuff in the studio was really good. Yes he was hit and miss live but then again some guitarists are like that...For example, Jimmy Page wasn't nearly as good live as he was in the studio. I'm not saying Robin is anywhere on Jimmy's level--He's not--Just giving an example of a great guitarist who is/was sloppy live but overall talented.Yeah that may be true. But IMO Ashba seems an all round better guitarist, especially in the live shows. As for the studio, there's nothing really that Robin wrote off his own back in all the years he was in GNR, that would make me put up with his frequent lousy playing. At least Jimmy Page, creatively, was a genius...LAPersonally, I thought Robin was indeed overrated by many here in terms of his contributions to Guns, but I do love Better.If you notice though, Paul Huge was Axl's biggest collaborator on CD and IMO the best songs were done in collaboration with the two of them. I know a lot of people hate on Paul for various reasons, but I think he's a really underrated guitarist in Guns. He's got the same sort of thing about him that allows him to work with Axl, it seems, like Izzy used to. People who worked with Guns in 1997-1998 said Paul, Axl and Dizzy were the main songwriters at the time.BBF I honestly think would make a great rhythm guitarist but i'm not sure about his lead capabilities. I love his rhythm parts on Chinese D but his solos leave something to be desired for me.I'd love a lineup that was like Axl, Buckethead, BBF, Paul Huge, Tommy, Josh or Frank, Dizzy, Chris. Edited December 25, 2010 by Indigo Child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Glow Inc. Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 DJ Ashba >>>>>>>>>>>> Robin live.In studio...I'm not sure but I DO like Beautiful Creatures.Richard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everybody else live.He's quite an entertainer.I really do hope Axl gives those guys a chance in the studio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scaramouche Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 DJ Ashba >>>>>>>>>>>> Robin live.In studio...I'm not sure but I DO like Beautiful Creatures.Richard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everybody else live.He's quite an entertainer.I really do hope Axl gives those guys a chance in the studio.Couldn't have said it better myself. All of it in 100% true. Pluss if you listen to sixx am, the guitar work on it is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManetsBR Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Ashba>Finck :rofl-lol: :rofl-lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdlove Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Ashba>Finck :rofl-lol: :rofl-lol:You're rofling everywhere....but honestly I agree with him. I mean, Finck is great, but give Ashba a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManetsBR Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 (edited) Ashba>Finck :rofl-lol: :rofl-lol:You're rofling everywhere....but honestly I agree with him. I mean, Finck is great, but give Ashba a chance.Look, live DJ sounds better than Robin, I admit that, I have ears and anyone that has ever compared both can notice that. And although I like Sixx:A.M. and Saints Of Los Angeles and also DJ's personality, I prefer Robin. I like his style and his industrial sound and between Sixx AM and Nine Inch Nails, I prefer NIN. And maybe the fact that he left Guns N' Roses made me miss him more. I mean, I thought "Oh, another guitarrist leaving", so I wish he could have stayed not only because in my opinion he is better than Ashba, but also because a line-up of the band would have lasted more than one tour. Actually it would have been the same line-up for four years now.I met DJ in São Paulo and he was nice with the fans, he's a very cool guy and the band seems to like him a lot. Actually, I would say that today he is the second most famous band members (on the band today) apart from Axl (obviously).If Robin was still in the band, and according to Axl and Brian himself, Brian is in the band, the line-up would be almost the same since 2001/2, and I think that is great. Edited December 25, 2010 by ManetsBR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdlove Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 There has never been a tour with this band that had every single member in tact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergiodefenders Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 I see a lot of good chemistry between current guitar players, imo that not happened with BH/Fortus/Finck nor Bumbe/Fortus/Finck. Regarding what they did in Chinese Democracy, they did not do some extraordinary, or in other words, they did really good stuffs but absolutly surmountable for DJ, Bumble and Fortus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazifin96 Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 (edited) Im sure that Rickhard has wrote some stuff that hasn't just been released Edited December 25, 2010 by mazifin96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Caller Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 makes me wonder why people automatically say stuff like "Richard > Paul Tobias" and "Ashba > Finck" I mean sure they may be great live players, but isn't the studio where it really counts?because anyone with a pair of ears would realize how terrible of a musician finck truly is. he had no place in this band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy_Stradlin_XX Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Well by the order of your thinking, ashba didn't too.Ashba is a pathetic copycat who doesn't have his own style.Even if i didn't like the Fink's style to play, i would rather ear him playing a thousand timesthan Ashba.Stupid Slash wannabe.He even imitates Slash when he's talking!!!And don't think that i'm a Chinese Democracy hater, because i like the album, i just think that Ashba suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 lay off the Ashba, he's doing a good job and hopefull doesn't let us down with his creative input on the next record. That last thing anyone wants is another Robin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyhell1 Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 From a live point if view its obvious Richard plays a secondary role to bumblefoot and dj . This is not a bad thing. It like when izzy was in the band or gilby. He still is very entertaining live, a lot of energy. I think he's got what it takes to write some killer music. Just have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1447 Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 Well by the order of your thinking, ashba didn't too.Ashba is a pathetic copycat who doesn't have his own style.Even if i didn't like the Fink's style to play, i would rather ear him playing a thousand timesthan Ashba.Stupid Slash wannabe.He even imitates Slash when he's talking!!!And don't think that i'm a Chinese Democracy hater, because i like the album, i just think that Ashba suck.Ashba looked like that before he joined the band he didnt copy slash *facpalm*Plus didnt slash copy his look from someone else also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 (edited) Well by the order of your thinking, ashba didn't too.Ashba is a pathetic copycat who doesn't have his own style.Even if i didn't like the Fink's style to play, i would rather ear him playing a thousand timesthan Ashba.Stupid Slash wannabe.He even imitates Slash when he's talking!!!And don't think that i'm a Chinese Democracy hater, because i like the album, i just think that Ashba suck.Ashba looked like that before he joined the band he didnt copy slash *facpalm*more like he was copying Slash before he joined the band...Nothing wrong with that, a lot of people have been influenced by him. Edited December 26, 2010 by moreblack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 they're session musicians dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamboat Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 makes me wonder why people automatically say stuff like "Richard > Paul Tobias" and "Ashba > Finck" I mean sure they may be great live players, but isn't the studio where it really counts?because anyone with a pair of ears would realize how terrible of a musician finck truly is. he had no place in this band.You are fucking crazy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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