Liquor & Whores Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 http://www.rockaaa.com/news/guns-n-roses-split-caused-by-lawyers-5521Duff McKagan says he has never had any personal problems with Axl Rose and the cracks which formed, and eventually tore Guns N’ Roses apart, were deliberately created by lawyers looking to make a quick buck.The bassist quit GNR in 1997, following in the footsteps of Slash and Izzy Stradlin, leaving Axl as the only classic line-up member remaining.But he reveals the whole situation was created by outside influences and not by any disagreement or personal issue between the band and Axl. He told AV Club:“I never had a personal beef with Axl, truth be told. Lawyers and stuff in that instance, it was kind of treacherous. They make money and try to create enemies between clients.“I wish they’d teach that course. If there was a rock ’n’ roll textbook, I could add some shit to it, real valuable shit. We were torn apart by people who weren’t in the band, and that’s really what always happens.“Same thing, in a way, that happened with Velvet Revolver. When you gotta have managers and agents, you can’t protect everyone from addiction. And it’s addiction, you know? It’s a modern world we live in, with everything at our fingertips, and if it’s not at our fingertips, you can dot-com anything.”On the subject of Velvet Revolver’s split with singer Scott Weiland, McKagan insists that can simply be put down to addiction. He continued:“Scott’s thing was substance-related, and I’m not throwing him under the bus. It’s pretty well-documented.“It wasn’t like, “You’re a fucking dick.” Scott and I especially went through a lot of stuff in that band together. I went up to the mountains with him in Washington and we did martial arts and did some soul-searching together, just him and me. He didn’t let me down. I’m fine, you know? I still care for him very much, and always will.“We’re bros when it comes down to it, and that’s it. We were having a hell of a hard time working together at the end. It wouldn’t come to blows, but it was just difficult when certain elements came back into the picture, but we’re all good.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lose Your Illusions Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 “I never had a personal beef with Axl, truth be told."- Duff McKaganNow take time to let that one sink in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 “I never had a personal beef with Axl, truth be told."- Duff McKaganNow take time to let that one sink in.I'm sure that will spun 18 different ways by the various haters After all, to some, everything that goes wrong with GN'R must be Axl's fault. Just kidding...sort of.Ali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orsys Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 There is seldom discussion around that aspect. The lawyers. And it's true that part of the lawyers job is to create more work. What is the first thing they say "Don't talk to the other party." so that all communication is legalese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdlove Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Now we know Slash was wrong. Yay.:cupcake: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnyDRE Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 (edited) All the time I look back and say, "that bitch wasn't that bad..we could have made it work."My Bank Account, Family, and Sanity say otherwise. Edited May 23, 2011 by SunnyDRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 All the time I look back and say, "that bitch wasn't that bad..we could have made it work."My Bank Account, Family, and Sanity say otherwise.And so the spin begins. Ali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnyDRE Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 (edited) There is seldom discussion around that aspect. The lawyers. And it's true that part of the lawyers job is to create more work. What is the first thing they say "Don't talk to the other party." so that all communication is legalese.meh..the "shit" that lead to the lawyers....All the time I look back and say, "that bitch wasn't that bad..we could have made it work."My Bank Account, Family, and Sanity say otherwise.And so the spin begins. AliNo spin.This is dumb shit by duff......simply a business move. he doesn't have any problems with axl, it was somebody else's fault?So, um.. duff why aren't you still in the band if you and and axl are cool? Why was there ever even a lawsuit? Edited May 23, 2011 by SunnyDRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orsys Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 There is seldom discussion around that aspect. The lawyers. And it's true that part of the lawyers job is to create more work. What is the first thing they say "Don't talk to the other party." so that all communication is legalese.meh..the "shit" that lead to the lawyers....I realize lawyers aren't called in when everything is fine, but GnR became big business pretty early on. And a small issue can become a big issue pretty easily when they are involved. I have never had any dealings with lawyers that diminished an issue. The issues were always magnified and more stressful than they needed to be and closed the door to just talking things out. Just saying they were likely a factor in the mess as well. And according to Duff, they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 There is seldom discussion around that aspect. The lawyers. And it's true that part of the lawyers job is to create more work. What is the first thing they say "Don't talk to the other party." so that all communication is legalese.meh..the "shit" that lead to the lawyers....All the time I look back and say, "that bitch wasn't that bad..we could have made it work."My Bank Account, Family, and Sanity say otherwise.And so the spin begins. AliNo spin.This is dumb shit by duff......simply a business move. he doesn't have any problems with axl, it was somebody else's fault?So, um.. duff why aren't you still in the band if you and and axl are cool? Why was there ever even a lawsuit?He said he didn't have any "personal" beef with Axl. He may have had some issues working with Axl. But, maybe, just maybe, now that Duff has the benefit of hindsight, it being 20/20 and all, he realizes there were other contributing factors to the old band's breakup. I know that sounds crazy, but, again, maybe it wasn't 100% Axl's fault.Ali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITW 2012 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Didn't Axl predict this on You Could Be Mine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastodonny Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 You can't spell William Bailey-Rose without the letters l a w y e r. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeper Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 There is seldom discussion around that aspect. The lawyers. And it's true that part of the lawyers job is to create more work. What is the first thing they say "Don't talk to the other party." so that all communication is legalese.meh..the "shit" that lead to the lawyers....All the time I look back and say, "that bitch wasn't that bad..we could have made it work."My Bank Account, Family, and Sanity say otherwise.And so the spin begins. AliNo spin.This is dumb shit by duff......simply a business move. he doesn't have any problems with axl, it was somebody else's fault?So, um.. duff why aren't you still in the band if you and and axl are cool? Why was there ever even a lawsuit?Duff is all business. And he would make a great politician. The spin will come from him just give him time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketQueen1985 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 So cool of Duff to say this, he seems like such a great guy. It's great to see him still carrying about both Axl and Scott despite of everything they've been through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevelle Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 No spin.This is dumb shit by duff......simply a business move. he doesn't have any problems with axl, it was somebody else's fault?So, um.. duff why aren't you still in the band if you and and axl are cool? Why was there ever even a lawsuit?I'd say it's because he's moved on from GN'R and is doing other things with his life now. He left GN'R what, 14 years ago? He's gotten over whatever problems he may have had enough to join Axl on stage, if only for a few songs, and I think that says a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young_Gun Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Hate to reign on everyone's parade, but Duff's earlier interviews post GnR split tell a different story.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justmike66 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 seems to me duff and slash are not working together lately and duff has kind words for axl more than ever , seems to be some connection there imo . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cineater Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 I think you get some distance from things and you can see more clearly. I'm sure a lot of people had a hand pulling these guys a part and business keeps them a part. Put them in a room together and they'd be okay. Not sure they could take it for very long, too much damage, too much business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lose Your Illusions Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 This is straight out of the horses mouth and people are still trying to say its BS. Very cute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tange Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 This is straight out of the horses mouth and people are still trying to say its BS. Very cute.Well it is different then what he said before BUT that doesn't mean what he is saying now isn't true. Maybe he didn't know the lawyers were behind the problems back then. We may never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethalis Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 I don't know what to think of this.Will Duff work with Axl again in the near future? It almost seems that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest siliconmessiah Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 (edited) I don't know what to think of this.Will Duff work with Axl again in the near future? It almost seems that way.I have said all the time that we might be up for a very big surprise this october. Edited May 24, 2011 by siliconmessiah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gunns5 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Stinson and Duff duet at Rio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gunns5 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 It would kinda backup what Msl said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturginho Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Hate to reign on everyone's parade, but Duff's earlier interviews post GnR split tell a different story..Yeah but a lot of time has passed since he quit, the benefit of hindsight and all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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