ChristmasFnatic Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 DJ on his guitar or Frank on the drums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosaj Thing Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Both are awful but I'd say between these two, Frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Franks a decent professional drummer.DJ's a below average professional guitarist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno P. Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Frank does his job. DJ doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaider Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 (edited) Franks a decent professional drummer.DJ's a below average professional guitarist.This. Word for word Edited June 11, 2013 by TombRaider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Roses Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 (edited) Both are awful but I'd say between these two, Frank.Frank is not really awful, but he's boring as fuck. DJ is a lame guitarist. Edited June 11, 2013 by highvoltage Edit part of the post out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 I don't think Dj is a below average professional guitarist. Out of all the people being able to live off being a guitarist (think of all the hopeless guitarists that exists in numerous popular hipster, radio rock, folk, etc, bands in the world) I believe he is a lot better than the average.People tend to pay too much attention to him not doing solos exactly as they want it and muddle things by letting their annoyance re his appearance and behaviour influence their opinions of him as a guitarist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scumcat Esq. Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Frank is awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaider Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 @Soulmonster. True, but is being better than your average guitarist enough for GnR? The way I see it, GnR has had great musicians over the years. Even I will admit Buckethead is the best they've had, albeit not my favorite. With DJ I feel Axl is settling for less. Hey, it's not like Ashba really sucks, but I feel GnR deserves better. Being the lead guitarist for GnR is, well, a very difficult task for anyone whose skills are not on a par with the skills of previous GnR guitarists. Why settle for less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 @Soulmonster. True, but is being better than your average guitarist enough for GnR?Being a better guitarist than the average COULD be good enough, it depends on HOW MUCH better you are In a live setting I think his playing is good enough. Nothing exciting about it, but he works. I just wish the more tricky parts would be allocated to Richard and Bumblefoot. The real test is what Dj can offer in song-writing though. Is he a new Izzy that can complement Axl? He doesn't have to shine on stage if he can just bring it in the studio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaider Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 I fully agree. The song writing department will be his real test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 I fully agree. The song writing department will be his real test. Yeah, we need someone who can come to Axl with simple melodies; vessels for Axl's brilliance. Can Dj be this guy? Can he concoct cool riffs to be embellished by Bumblefoot and Richard? Can he make catchy melodies where Axl can attach codas and soaring choruses? Can he add small, cool riff that can me made into complete songs by the other guys? If so it doesn't really matter much if he occasionally doesn't bend a note completely. Hell, I would even tolerate his stage antics more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 DJ's a below average professional guitarist.What people tend to ignore is the meticulous attention Axl pays to guitars. Guitarists don't get into GNR lightly. There have only been prolific guitarists in GNR since Axl became able to handpick the musicians he works with. Dj is definitely not a below average pro. He is your average pro and beyond that you can make what you will of his playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustycage Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Frank. He may miss queues and fills but he still holds it together.DJ spends a lot of the time not playing anything either because he cant or would rather cheer lead. He doesn't do his part. When he does play his solos, it sounds bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Yeah, we need someone who can come to Axl with simple melodies; vessels for Axl's brilliance. Can Dj be this guy? Can he concoct cool riffs to be embellished by Bumblefoot and Richard? Can he make catchy melodies where Axl can attach codas and soaring choruses? Can he add small, cool riff that can me made into complete songs by the other guys? Exactly. His songwriting values aside ultimately Dj can induce the simplicity that was lacking with Chinese. With Robin and Buckethead you had this tendency for greatness that wasn't necessarily digestable. Dj can play a role without really losing the sophistication which can be assumed by Bumble and Fortus. Plus ultimately you have consider the context that Axl is the director, while Dj may be given writing Axl will dictate the overall feel of the album. It's a Trent Reznor like process. Axl will lay everything out with the secondary writers from Chinese who contrary to popular consensus, are actually still band members. The guitars will get their credits too but it will ultimately be more them contributing to Axl led concepts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 I've been caught off guard multiple times by DJ during songs and thought, "What was that? That sounded awful." That doesn't usually happen with Frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Frank is a great drummer. His biggest missed cue was that one Paradise City performance where Axl snapped at him, but ironically it was Axl's fault for coming in on the wrong chord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaider Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Is there a video of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Un42nutzly Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 (edited) If you hear Ashba's work on the newest Sixx AM record, you can see that he can write some great melodies on his guitar. Frank is awesome too, he may screw up every now and then but overall I think he is pretty good. 4:35 3:35 Edited June 11, 2013 by GNRFan53 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaider Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 To be fair to everyone, there isn't a single musician that doesn't screw up live every now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tr420 Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Who gives a shit who is better. They are both doing better than anyone commenting on this thread. I'm not a huge fan of DJ but it's a fact that he's gottent a lot better and there's only one GnR drummer that may be better than Frank but none have been better for the band. cupcake topic. Drummer vs Guitarist. Lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustycage Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 I disagree. Good topic. It displays that people can be critical of Frank but not view him the same way DJ is viewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 To be fair to everyone, there isn't a single musician that doesn't screw up live every now and then. Seems to be more than every now and then with DJ. And it's more than just screwing up. Like the intro to SCOM. He doesn't "screw it up," but it doesn't sound right. Same with Jungle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Both are great professional musicians. It doesn't always have to be a competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Is there a video of that? There is, I just can't remember which show it was from off hand. Someone else can probably help me out here!Basically, during the end solo, when Axl comes back in, he came back in late which threw Frank off when trying to end the song. Granted, Frank didn't do his big snare roll which usually cues Axl coming back in for the final "I wanna go, I wanna know..." or whatever lines, probably because he was going to let the solo go on longer. Still, Axl came in wrong so Frank is not totally to blame. It wasn't even a big deal - it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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