Guest NGOG Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Beram Kayal makes it two nil to the bhoys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Perfect counter by Dortmund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Celtic controversially lost Nir Biton due to a reckless challenge; he had just been brought on.Ajax pulled one back with about ten seconds left -- 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Ajax fans misbehaving:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXNWVgOCEAAdsxV.jpg:large Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB. Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 That put me as a huge Ajax fan to shame. That we lost and the misbehaving fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 That put me as a huge Ajax fan to shame. That we lost and the misbehaving fans.That's a very honorable thing for you to say. Apparently it was provoked by aspects of our support stealing an Ajax banner -- which isn't good either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PappyTron Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 The Dutch are actually a very violent people when they don't have access to animal porn for a few hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB. Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) Apparently it was provoked by aspects of our support stealing an Ajax banner -- which isn't good either.We have had troubles with some fans (hooligans) for many years now. It was already a problem when I was little, in fact even more. But It can never be provoked, totally childish behaviour. That's spoiling the sport.The Dutch are actually a very violent people when they don't have access to animal porn for a few hours.Uhh what? Yeah, that must be it. Edited October 22, 2013 by MBRose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Tony Mowbray sacked as Middlesbrough manager Why are you sad? He may be a good guy, but he's an awful manager. Easily one of the worst gaffers in Celtic's history.Boro's fortunes without him will only improve.I know, but he can honestly do no wrong in my mind.Was his record at Celtic THAT bad? He was loved as a player, no?Let's just say that as soon as he left the Celtic job, I, a Rangers fan, joined the "Bring Back Tony Mowbray" Facebook page straight away...I always thought you were a Hibs fan?My opinion of you has suddenly diminished considerably. What do you think my opinion has been of you all along? I cannot reconcile myself with the fact you're a hun; you seemed so beyond their average IQ. Hibs would be a good gentlemanly club for you. As a Scottish man, Blue and White are my colours . I've been going to Ibrox since I was 5 years old, my live match count is well into the hundreds...As for being a "hun", there's an older generation of Rangers fans swear down that it was Celtic who were known by that name during the first half of the 20th Century. But given its modern application to Rangers fans on the assumption that they support the House of Hanover in the Monarchy of the UK, I definitely don't. My football and my politics are entirely separate, but I'm Rangers Til I Die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris1989 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Chelsea were pretty good last night. Pity they will lose to Man City next weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 As a Scottish man, Blue and White are my colours . I've been going to Ibrox since I was 5 years old, my live match count is well into the hundreds...As for being a "hun", there's an older generation of Rangers fans swear down that it was Celtic who were known by that name during the first half of the 20th Century. But given its modern application to Rangers fans on the assumption that they support the House of Hanover in the Monarchy of the UK, I definitely don't. My football and my politics are entirely separate, but I'm Rangers Til I Die.Rangers are the club of the British establishment these days. Whatever certain hun Elders may claim about the club's past. How do you feel about Union flags emblazoned with the face of Her Majesty regularly flying amidst the herd of Ibrox? Nationalism - both Scottish and Irish - is largely represented by Celtic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 I love watching City in the prem, it's like the pub league. 4-2-4. They just need a guy who thinks he's Gaza, drinking a pint on the pitch and some knee high sliding tackles. I love it when Toure comes out with the ball and the wingbacks are running. But yeah they let millions of goals in. 4-3 to City all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Excuse my ignorance regarding the vagaries of Scotish football but why 'huns'? To my understanding 'hun' is a term that refers to Germans, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Excuse my ignorance regarding the vagaries of Scotish football but why 'huns'? To my understanding 'hun' is a term that refers to Germans, no?http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Hun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Says the sites under rennovation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Says the sites under rennovation As Graeme pointed out; it's because the majority of Rangers fans support the British Monarchy -- which dates back to the House of Hanover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Ah right, gotcha Thank you. So you Celtic lot are the proper jocks then? As in like, for your own and that, cool. Well, in Len estimation, based on this tiny scrap of information at any rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Exactly. Rangers' following generally support the Union; you will notice they adopt the colors red, white and blue (not blue and white as Graeme would have you believe ).Celtic on the other hand are generally more nationalist. On any given day at Parkhead you will see support for Scotland, Ireland and even Palestine. Edited October 23, 2013 by NGOG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Palestine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Why Palestine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NGOG Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Why Palestine?Solidarity with other oppressed people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Got'cha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sandman Posted October 24, 2013 Author Share Posted October 24, 2013 Result we needed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Got'cha. I would dispute a lot of what NGOG is saying. I think (being he is an Irishman) he perhaps gets a caricatured view of the culture and politics surrounding Scottish Football and very much from a "Celtic-Minded" perspective... I've studied the history and cultural geography of this at University level, I've also grown up amongst it all my life.As for who are the "Real Jocks";Celtic were founded by Irish Catholic migrants in the late 19th century, during that time and over economic depressions for several decades afterwards, tensions arose between these migrants and native Protestant Scots, focussed particularly on the West Coast and Glasgow in particular. To put it bluntly, the Scots didn't really treat their new neighbours very well, mainly for (possibly understandable, if not forgivable) "THEY TOOK OOR JOABS" reasons. As the Irish migrant population had attached themselves to Celtic, a club which celebrated Irish iconography and Catholic values, the native Scots could really have got behind one of a number of successful teams (e.g. Dumbarton or Queen's Park) but it so happened that Rangers were the club they rallied behind, and the most famous and bitter rivalry in football was born.So, we have a team playing in Irish colours with a four-leaved clover as their badge supported in most part by first generation Irish immigrants, and a team playing in Scotland's colours (there was no red involved in the strip at this stage) with a lion rampant on their crest supported in most part by native Scots... Who were the "Real Jocks" at this stage? (Of course, time has moved on now and most Celtic fans are native Scots as well, but you're still far more likely to see an Irish tricolour among their support than a blue and white saltire).Of course, the Rangers fanbase was unionist at the time, virtually everyone in Scotland was. Scotland was doing incredibly well out of being a massive cog in the British Empire and there was no "nationalist" movement in Scotland at that time as we would understand it today. There was an undercurrent of what is now known a "Unionist Nationalism" which sought to improve Scotland's status within the United Kingdom and gave rise to campaigns like the Wallace Monument movement etc. "Nationalism" as we would understand it today didn't enter the mainstream political consciousness until the 1930s when the Scottish Party and the National Party of Scotland fused to become the Scottish National Party. Even then, it took decades for nationalism to become a force to be reckoned with in Scottish politics.At the same time, as the separation saga unfolded in Ireland, the two communities in Scotland aligned their sympathies with the different sides, Rangers fans traditionally with the Loyalist, Royalist Protestants and Celtic fans with the Irish Republican Catholics. However, this didn't make a stark impact on domestic voting patterns, the Celtic fanbase traditionally voted Labour (who have never supported Scottish Independence and now stand as the main bastion of the union in Scottish Politics) whilst it was perceived that Rangers fans traditionally voted Conservative and Unionist. Given the decimation of the Scottish Conservative party over the latter half of the 20th Century, the fact that they only once achieved a majority in Scotland (and a 0.1% majority at that), the Labour party's sheer dominance in 20th Century Scotland and the involvement of many of the typical Rangers demographic in events like Red Clydeside, I doubt it has ever been a particularly true statement but you are more likely to find mental right-wingers amongst the Rangers support than you are pretty much anywhere else in Scotland.As such, the nationalism of today isn't associated with the traditional demographics of either fanbase within the Old Firm, but is an entirely different phenomenon. Rangers fans may be more visibly resistant to it because of all their Union Jackery, but in reality there are probably just as many nationalist Rangers fans as unionist Celtic fans. There is no rhetoric in modern Scottish society to suggest that our debate about self-determination is in any way linked to the traditional political and religious divide in Northern Ireland. I think the problem with trying to look at the situation in Scotland through Irish eyes is that the situation in Scotland is far more nuanced and the people and politics are far more integrated than in Northern Ireland, where it is "Irish-Gaelic-Catholic-Republican" vs. "British-Ulster Scots-Protestant-Unionist" in a very statistically significant number of cases. Less so in Scotland; Rangers was founded by four Gaelic speakers and in Scotland (outside the Isles of Barra, Eriskay and South Uist) Gaelic is very much the language of (traditionally Rangers supporting) Presbyterians. We're also at a stage now where the two communities are more intermixed and intermarried than ever before. Whilst the sectarian problem still exists and is still exacerbated, it is less so than it has been in the past.Having said that, I'm reluctant to say that it's better than it's ever been because after the whole administration shenanigans, Rangers are on a bit of a crusade against (particularly the top flight of) Scottish Football in general. Many fans are absolutely irate, bitterly jaded and refuse to support the national team until the authorities who presided over the whole affair are replaced. I'm not a particularly bitter guy and tend to take Ally McCoist's (totally reasonable) attitude to everything. But the next match between Rangers and Celtic is going to be the most dangerous in the entire history of the fixture, I'm certain of that."There's a sea back home in Scotland worth more than all the rest to me..."Not real Scots indeed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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