Guest Len B'stard Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 What A Shame - The Rolling Stones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinegunner Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Blue Turns To Grey - The Rolling StonesWhat are the earliest Jagger/Richards songs that you rate, Len? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinegunner Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I'd say Play With Fire, Heart Of Stone... the earlier 'outlaw' kind of songs that had a quiet threatening menace. Also, Get Off Of My Cloud and The Singer Not The Song, Nineteenth Nervous Breakdown... when they were still yearning to perform a new hit song on some pop show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Oh shit, how did i forget Play With Fire? I totally get what you mean about the quiet threatening menace though, it's not on all of em but a great many. Its always sounds a lot more...looser and fun. But yeah, it had a certain air to it, a kind of standoffish air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinegunner Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I'm still comparing the early mono and stereo variations of a lot of the early Stones singles, i think i mostly prefer the monos - more volume impact, instead of one guitar on the left chanel playing off of a bass on the right.... sometimes it gets a bit gimmicky with stereo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Keith Richards makes a lot of the idea of weaving guitars but if you listen to The Stones, especially early on, it weren't just the two guitars, it's the bass and drums and everything kinda locks in to give certain musical pieces this kinda tumbling quality, a real drive, it's beautiful to behold when they really nail and 19th Nervous Breakdown is a good example of them really nailing it. The Stones suffer from production i think so they were great in that early era where production, relative to what it is now, wasn't such an overbearing thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinegunner Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I wonder how much of the blame falls on Bill... if the bass is no longer as driving what can Charlie do?Take Jumping Jack Flash, for instance... aftre a while Bill didn't thump 'em out like that no more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Bill deserves a lot more credit than he gets, the bass, in the context of the songs The Stones played, rhythm and blues basically (as opposed to pure blues which would benefit from a little heavier bass) Bill does brilliantly because there's just enough of it to give the rhythm section enough depth so it don't sound tinny, he really was quite special, despite the merciless piss-taking he's put up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinegunner Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 They were definitely tighter and more intricate in the playing in the very early stages, having little room for error out of reverence for the artists they were covering and so on. And the spotlight was sharply on them as pop stars.Later, with the dominance of Keef's interweaving guitars, Bill's role wouldn't be so ... what's the word... relevant... his role in the Stones got kind of diminished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 What do you make of Brian Jones MG, broadly speaking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinegunner Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 What do you make of Brian Jones MG, broadly speaking?I have to give him credit for having a genial influence on the group in the early stages which kept them going. It's funny how telling some of the early pictures are - Jones is in the foreground kind of staring down the camera, and Jagger is kind off shyly off to one side... Jones clearly looks like the dominant top-dog in the group.Jones's stamp is all over songs like Ruby Tuesday, Out Of Time, Paint It Black... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Do you think his importance, musically, is kinda high up there or not as important as the Brian afficiandos make out? To your taste, what do you perfer, his era, Taylor era, Wood era? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinegunner Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Do you think his importance, musically, is kinda high up there or not as important as the Brian afficiandos make out? To your taste, what do you perfer, his era, Taylor era, Wood era? Well he definitely was very important, he guided The Rolling Stones through the critical early pop phase, he was at that time until ...i don't know, Satanic Majesties?, regarded as sort of their leader, wasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinegunner Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Musically - yeah, like in those hits i mentioned, he was always experimenting, following his whims and getting the band to try this or that. His ideas provided a lot of the drive. That's why you got string orchestras and stuff on Lady Jane and whatnot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinegunner Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Favourite period? The Brian Jones period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Do you think they got all their was to get out of what was an exceptionally talented dilletante or do you think the direction they would've went with Brian would've been more interesting? You kinda never got anymore interesting songs off The Stones after him eh? I mean like, they were cool, they were rockin', they were everything even post Brian but they never quite had that thing where you thought maybe they could be musically groundbreaking ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinegunner Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Why I like and prefer the Brian Jones period -The whole pop rise to the top, releasing different albums across the Atlantic, going from cover artists to original interpreters of their own compositions... the more moddish hip side of the stones... the clothes and haircuts and graphics on the singles sleeves... just the whole aura of them as a group.Do you think they got all their was to get out of what was an exceptionally talented dilletante or do you think the direction they would've went with Brian would've been more interesting? You kinda never got anymore interesting songs off The Stones after him eh? I mean like, they were cool, they were rockin', they were everything even post Brian but they never quite had that thing where you thought maybe they could be musically groundbreaking ever again.Had he held his stuff together they could possibly have gone in more interesting directions but wasn't he burned out at the end?And he copped a kick in the head from Keef, didn't he, shortly before he died? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) What, like a literal kick in the head, really? I never knew that. I know they got into it over Anita. Have you seen the state of her lately, fuck me, time ain't kind to none of us, eh? Edited January 25, 2014 by sugaraylen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinegunner Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 What, like a literal kick in the head, really? I never knew that. I know they got into it over Anita. Have you seen the state of her lately, fuck me, time ain't kind to none of us, eh?I may be getting stories mixed up. Something like Richards pulled a knife on Jones, on the day he died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 On the actual day he DIED too, really? I never heard none of this. Then again, i don't really dig any deeper than the big 'definitive' bios that come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinegunner Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 There have been stories that there was growing antipathy between Jones and (both) Richards and Jagger, and of the latter two's plans to ultimately oust Jones from the band, and that they very much saw him as a spent force, a victim to his excesses, and a kind of tiresome burden to them now... he was hallucinating and losing coherence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 fuck yeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Broskirose Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Listening to Ghosts by NIN when you're going on 24 hours without sleep is so trippy. Edited January 25, 2014 by Broskirose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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