Post-2000 GN'R Deserve A Better Legacy Than This

[Tom2112]

You know what deserved better? GNR's name.

Axl, alone, made of one the greatest bRands ever play its last shows in Casinos, bowling alleys and russing weddings. Yes, the same dude who first became famous for being very talented and charismatic, the same dude who pretentiously mentioned trilogies, evolution, going where the old band weren't able to. This guy ended his legacy in poker-themed flying piano in Vegas. Using the beloved GNR name throughout. Pathetic.

His lol vision at first was interesting. I love Finck, Bucket and Brain. They are very talented and they were willing to help Axl achieve new things. How did Axl use them? To rewrite AFD and cover 90% of it live. Sad.

Now let's talk a little bit about Rio IV and beyond. Axl was done. In 2011 he was done and made no effort to hide this from the world. I'm sorry if it's result of a disease, or severe depression or something very serious. If it's not, if it's "Axl being Axl" - greatest excuse ever - then I say fuck this guy. He's not a perfectionist, he's not hardworking (lol 3 hours show every day), he's a shadow of himself and he makes a lot of hair metal singers from the 80s look good. Unnacceptable.

The fans deserved better. The name GNR deserved better. But it's over - if you think Axl will make yet another comeback to "take over the world", I'm sorry for you. He won't reunite, he won't release more music. NuGNR's legacy is what it is: A cover band, a solo project with a revolving door of musicians, disaster videos, a very expensive shit album, Team Brazil, etc... And it's all Axl's fault.

I agree with everything from Rio IV paragraph, the rest I'm in and out on.

Wasting time re-recording AFD was pure mental - Agreed! playing lots of material from that album on the re-launch? sensible, that's what the audiences wanted to hear. They didn't have a released album for the first 10 years as a semi touring act. He couldn't push CD when nobody knew it.

As for Guns playing their last shows in Vegas, yeah! I know when you think of GnR, you don't want to think of a lame residency like Celine Dion or Cher... but the business has changed and now more and more bands are doing it. It makes sense on all levels. I'm positive they earn more when it's a residency gig. I think a reunited GnR would even do a residency. The vegas thing may be the only smart business decision guns have made, so I can't back bashing that on business front. They should have had a record for the 2014 residency or at least followed it directly with a new album but they didn't and that's really the only fair criticism (apart from some weak vocal nights for Axl).

I think if Axl was done and Vegas was his farewell Fernando would not have come here. Fernando coming back here means very little, but it's a small / minuscule sign that there are some plans for Gnr in the next years. Also, Richard has said on a number of occasions that he is booked with Guns next year... he's not saying he's in a studio, not the usual line, he's saying he can't do dead daisies as guns will be working again. Let's wait on the whole Guns are dead, until we actually hear something to corroborate that. From what I see Gnr are more alive than ever between reunion talk and everything else. The new bands taking a whipping, but there's nothing new there.

I can see Axl releasing the next album, and going back on the road. The sad truth is he could take any group of musicians, and still be successful just like - Whitesnake, Megadeth, Foreigner or any mega selling band with a huge fan base. We want to see familiar faces, but everyone else couldn't give a shit, yet they will bash them for another line up change.

Finally, while I agree that it would have been amazing for Axl to have released 3 / 4 newGuns albums. If they aren't ready or if he thinks they aren't ready, then I think it needs to be respected. Nobody wants a dud, and if you're going to spend years working on something you really want to make sure that you're happy with what you're releasing. It's incredibly frustrating waiting for new music, and I really want new music, but I don't want it half assed. I want the right artwork, I want the right liner notes, I want the best songs / production etc. and sometimes that takes extraordinary amounts of time to come together. just remember #soon

[moreblack]

If there's anything that sums up this era is false stars and missed opportunities.

[maynard]

Great post Tom

[Bobbo]

If Axl was serious about "artistic integrity" he'd have more to show for it. It's all been about being a petty dick, and in recent years (at least), it's just been about keeping his lavish lifestyle afloat without having to resort to admitting he's failed and calling Slash and co. He carried on the name for financial comfort and as a petty "I'll show you" mentality to get back at Slash and the others. It blew up in his face because he didn't know what the fuck he was doing, and accomplished nothing other than tarnishing the name. And nu guns should be treated as anything other than a joke because some people don't want to accept their emotional attachment to the journey had virtually no pay off? It sucks, I agree. I'm partially apart of that group. But at the end of the day we all have to live in reality, and the reality is, nu guns is a failure, nobody connected to what they dished out, and nobody cares anymore. What's really to preserve? It is what it is.

Edited October 5, 2015 by Bobbo

[LTD]

No they don't.

[maynard]

If you listen to Axl's stupid rants from 2002 you'll see how pretentious he was. "They [old band] wouldn't perform at this level" - which was covering AFD, playing UYI hits and 2-3 new songs. Axl was so full of himself. While he was complaining about the old guys, VR was writing, recording and releasing music - a level Axl could never achieve himself. He was basically lying to the crowd. Old guys were more than cappable, they were willing to do so.

[classicrawker]

Reunion tours can be a bit cheesy though, i.e. old farts playing the hits for cash, all their respective lawyers ironing out a contract, etc. Robert Plant sums them up best,

"A (Zeppelin reunion) tour would have been an absolute menagerie of vested interests and the very essence of everything that's shitty about big-time stadium rock. We were surrounded by a circus of people that would have had our souls on the fire. I'm not part of a jukebox!"

- http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/robert-plant-slams-idea-of-zeppelin-tour-im-not-part-of-a-jukebox-20140508

And this is different from what Axl did with NuGuns how?

Axl owns the name so can put any band of hired hands together he wants and call it Guns N Roses but lets be honest it was nothing more than Axl's legacy band cashing in on the band name.....

Edited October 5, 2015 by classicrawker

[classicrawker]

You know what deserved better? GNR's name.

Axl, alone, made of one the greatest bRands ever play its last shows in Casinos, bowling alleys and russing weddings. Yes, the same dude who first became famous for being very talented and charismatic, the same dude who pretentiously mentioned trilogies, evolution, going where the old band weren't able to. This guy ended his legacy in poker-themed flying piano in Vegas. Using the beloved GNR name throughout. Pathetic.

His lol vision at first was interesting. I love Finck, Bucket and Brain. They are very talented and they were willing to help Axl achieve new things. How did Axl use them? To rewrite AFD and cover 90% of it live. Sad.

Now let's talk a little bit about Rio IV and beyond. Axl was done. In 2011 he was done and made no effort to hide this from the world. I'm sorry if it's result of a disease, or severe depression or something very serious. If it's not, if it's "Axl being Axl" - greatest excuse ever - then I say fuck this guy. He's not a perfectionist, he's not hardworking (lol 3 hours show every day), he's a shadow of himself and he makes a lot of hair metal singers from the 80s look good. Unnacceptable.

The fans deserved better. The name GNR deserved better. But it's over - if you think Axl will make yet another comeback to "take over the world", I'm sorry for you. He won't reunite, he won't release more music. NuGNR's legacy is what it is: A cover band, a solo project with a revolving door of musicians, disaster videos, a very expensive shit album, Team Brazil, etc... And it's all Axl's fault.

I agree with everything from Rio IV paragraph, the rest I'm in and out on.

Wasting time re-recording AFD was pure mental - Agreed! playing lots of material from that album on the re-launch? sensible, that's what the audiences wanted to hear. They didn't have a released album for the first 10 years as a semi touring act. He couldn't push CD when nobody knew it.

As for Guns playing their last shows in Vegas, yeah! I know when you think of GnR, you don't want to think of a lame residency like Celine Dion or Cher... but the business has changed and now more and more bands are doing it. It makes sense on all levels. I'm positive they earn more when it's a residency gig. I think a reunited GnR would even do a residency. The vegas thing may be the only smart business decision guns have made, so I can't back bashing that on business front. They should have had a record for the 2014 residency or at least followed it directly with a new album but they didn't and that's really the only fair criticism (apart from some weak vocal nights for Axl).

I think if Axl was done and Vegas was his farewell Fernando would not have come here. Fernando coming back here means very little, but it's a small / minuscule sign that there are some plans for Gnr in the next years. Also, Richard has said on a number of occasions that he is booked with Guns next year... he's not saying he's in a studio, not the usual line, he's saying he can't do dead daisies as guns will be working again. Let's wait on the whole Guns are dead, until we actually hear something to corroborate that. From what I see Gnr are more alive than ever between reunion talk and everything else. The new bands taking a whipping, but there's nothing new there.

I can see Axl releasing the next album, and going back on the road. The sad truth is he could take any group of musicians, and still be successful just like - Whitesnake, Megadeth, Foreigner or any mega selling band with a huge fan base. We want to see familiar faces, but everyone else couldn't give a shit, yet they will bash them for another line up change.

Finally, while I agree that it would have been amazing for Axl to have released 3 / 4 newGuns albums. If they aren't ready or if he thinks they aren't ready, then I think it needs to be respected. Nobody wants a dud, and if you're going to spend years working on something you really want to make sure that you're happy with what you're releasing. It's incredibly frustrating waiting for new music, and I really want new music, but I don't want it half assed. I want the right artwork, I want the right liner notes, I want the best songs / production etc. and sometimes that takes extraordinary amounts of time to come together. just remember #soon

Depends on your definition of success. Overseas, especially in South America, he can sell out arena's and in some cases a night or two in a Stadium but here in the States the attendance of the recent tours has been shrinking to the point where Guns was close to becoming a Theater or HOB type band.

[Bono]

Ballad Of Death and the Pink Panther Theme deserve their dues.

Maybe on Greatest Hits II?

I'm in the minority for sure here but I genuinely feel Ballad of Death was the best piece of music to come from "post Slash GnR", "CD era GnR", "NuGNR" or whatever they were called. I've easily listend to that more than anything on the album, maybe even anything on the album combined.

I enjoyed Ballad of Death a lot myself and actually think it kinda' shows that Dj's might have been able to contribute some worthwhile stuff to a Guns' album.

Nope, no, no no! Ballad of Death was / is a steaming pile. Great song to go to the bathroom at a gig, or get a drink. Shoddy melody, boring chord progression. It sounds like the type of backing track you get free on youtube. Any jackass can string a soppy Am (or whatever key it's in) chord progression together and wail some utterly generic blues lines over the top of it.

Sorry, I know you liked it (each to their own etc, etc), but I just think it's generic and a bit shit. Same goes for that other turd Mi Amor.... YIKES!

If that was what he was bringing to table he wasn't going to be of much use to GnR. Axl writes the ballads, he's already pretty good at doing it by himself.

Yeah because TIL, Catcher and The Blues are epic in comparison...... Fuck those songs are bad.

[Silent Jay]

A Chinese era reunion.

[Mr. Dude]

I almost hope Axl just grabs two more gunslingers and soldiers on.

[BangoSkank]

I almost hope Axl just grabs two more gunslingers and soldiers on.

Same. But my secret wet dream is Axl getting his voice back in shape and bringing back Bucket.

[Seb91]

Post 2000 GN'R can be summed up as wasted potential. Axl has had so many great musicians in the band and didn't utilise their talents probably so inevitably they got bored and left. He also failed to act whenever momentum was building and the public and the press were on the new band's side (for the most part). 2010/11 was the last opportunity to move things forward properly and get some material out and even that was pushing it to be honest. Then RIR 2011 happened and that set the tone for what was to follow. If they had debuted some new songs at RIR and then released a record soon after things would have been far better IMO. RIR was a real turning point - something must have happened that just made Axl not care anymore. No disrespect to Nikki Sixx and Sixx: AM but it says a lot that Ashba considered a Motley side project a better gig to pursue than GN'R.

The thing is Axl made a real rod for his back keeping the name but Deep Purple, Fleetwood Mac and Black Sabbath all survived pretty major lineup changes - the key is however to release new material so that you don't turn into a tribute act. The key to nuGuns success was never just about getting Chinese out, it was about entering a regular album/tour cycle after Chinese's release to establish the lineup, phasing out a lot of the old songs in the live shows and proving that they could be a regular(ish) band. That obviously didn't happen.

I hope any Chinese leftovers do eventually get put out as I'm still interested in hearing them. If Axl does decide to continue nuGuns with yet another new lineup I don't expect it to cause much of an impact in the music world.

Edited October 5, 2015 by BassistSeb

[Graeme]

but I felt that Guns N' Roses as I knew them deserved better than being replaced and erased or just falling into obscurity.

You could say exactly the same thing about the original line up.

That's why people are excited that old wrongs may be put right.

Sure, the newer versions of the band got a poor end but whose fault is that?

Do they though? I mean, who is to blame for the way they're looked at now?

I'd be tempted to agree with you had the 1998-2004 thing worked out. But it didn't. No album. Buckethead left. I hated his image, but there's no denying his creative influence. So that failed.

I'd even consider it up to 2007. Yes, Buckethead left. But the band was way more solid live. But still no album. And Finck left.

Then it went from bad to worse. Yes, CD came out. But it was 8 years too late. And it pretty much failed. Some of you might like it, but it never did what it was meant to do in 2000-2002. Establish the band as a real musical force. It was too late for that.

And everything post 2008 was, for lack of a better word, absolutely pathetic.

So no. I'm sorry but I really don't think they deserve a better legacy. Not based on result anyway. Revolving-door band, lack of output, image (all over the place, and even worse, Ashba), sound (particularly Axl's voice and Ashba). Shows that were canceled (particularly in in 2001 and 2002). And the countless high-exposure gigs that turned shit. From the VMA's in 2002 to Rio in 2011. Then there's (like you said) the most incompetent bunch of leeches that call themselves a managemen team. Guns n' Roses and Chinese Democracy have actually been used as punchlines to jokes in sitcoms. What does that tell you? It's one big line of consecutive failures.

I'd love to say it wasn't and that they deserved better. But based on result? They really don't.

Post-1998 GnR is the story of what could have been but never was.

As far as I can see, it's become largely Axl's fault. If you read what I'm saying then my argument is that by squandering all that potential, he let his band, and all the people who supported it down. I don't know where you got the idea that I was blaming "the fans" apart from the ones who decided that they were never going to give post-1993 GN'R a chance.

Having said that, I think Azoff's determination to force a reunion after the release of the Chinese Democracy probably played a big role in making the release and the promotion around it as dysfunctional as it ended up being, particularly regarding Axl's participation, promotion and the length of time it took to start the post-album tour. If Azoff had gotten on board with the band he was supposed to be managing instead of trying to destroy it, then I think that whole chapter would probably have gone a lot more smoothly and we might even have had another record by now.

Ron, what was embarrassing about 2010? They completed a hugely successful world tour, the setlists were varied and ambitious (obviously less so as time went on) and the quality of the performances were generally very high, Axl's voice was as good as it's ever sounded, Ron and Frank had really grown into their roles in the band. I don't think DJ's presence alone undoes all of that, though it's obviously all down to personal taste...

The results have ultimately been disappointing, but I'm arguing that the line-up from that era proved that they were capable of a lot more had circumstances permitted it, and that should be recognised. Which is the antithesis of arguments like the one below...

GnR post 2000 deserve the legacy they have. A shit legacy for what became a shit show of an organization. None of this CD era or YES NuGnR is Guns N Roses. Why anyone would want to hold onto something that has basically been worthless is beyond me. The CD era of Guns N Roses is shit. It's accomplished nothing other than tarnish the Guns N Roses name and truthfully anyone wanting to stick with CD era GnR in favour of a reunion because they enjoyed following the band during this time are more in it for nostalgia and sentimental sake than those who want a reunion and REAL GUNS N FUCKIN' ROSES. The reason people want a reunion is because it's better. Plain and simple. End of story!

That's just your opinion, it literally has no more validity than the opinion of anyone else's on here. It does kinda reinforce this point I made though...

"Reunionism for me became synonymous with the people who hung around here when the later line-ups were active, complaining about everything and belittling those who enjoyed the shows and the record as being in some way musically retarded. These are now the same people who would quite happily discard the last 20 years as a joke with no validity whatsoever, in favour of a reunion. "

For the reasons that GNR_1991 outlines pretty superbly below, I did enjoy 2006-2010, there was a lot to enjoy. I took in four great live shows, webcasts, the album, youtube videos and the great buzz in this community. I can express my opinion without condescendingly tearing other people down though.

GNR 1991, on 05 Oct 2015 - 09:37 AM, said:

There wasn't a more exciting time to follow the band than 2006, imo. The Hammerstein shows, the leaks, Axl on Trunk, Axl in Rolling Stone, the new guitarist excitement, there was a fantastic buildup. CD's success or lack thereof was all dependent on the timing of it's release. There was absolutely no reason why it shouldn't have come out in 2006. The band was on fire, the tour's got good press, Axl sounded great (the improvement from 2002 was significant). Not only was releasing it two years later a huge reason why even less people cared (we heard half of the album years earlier), but there wasn't even a band or Axl around to promote it. Horrible end game execution by whoever.

As of now, there literally is no band. I wish Axl and co did something more productive from 2009-2014 than just touring (even though the band was solid, the sets were varied from previous tours, and the reviews were positive). I wish things were different, it was all run so poorly I'm afraid. I'd like to believe that there is a motivated Axl somewhere on the verge of releasing new music and touring behind it, but I'm not holding my breath.

Look, I supported and wanted Axl's GNR to kick ass and rule the world but after that 06/07 tour, everything has been a disgrace- and to be fair the live stuff from 2000-02 (while exciting) couldn't be truthfully described as awesome or even a success either- it was a clusterfuck disaster...yes, way better than the 09-14 atrocities but still a very far cry from even the most bloated moments of the real Guns N Roses.

Get over it man, Timmy Stuson, Ron BF Thal, #demented...all those guys could do a 50 year stint as GNR and then you could roll them up into a ball and that ball wouldn't amount to shit next to Slash, Izzy, Duff and Adler, fuck it, let's chuck Sorum and Gilby in there too.

You'd still be judging it off of the one album anyway (Chinese Democracy).

I think you're a top bloke G, but wake up and smell the coffee dude.

I think you're confusing a belief that everything post-Slash wasn't utterly worthless with satisfaction regarding the current state of affairs. I'm as fucking disappointed as anyone with the band at the moment, but I don't equate that with writing off the contributions of everyone who stepped up and played with Guns after the Illusions line-ups the way people like Bono and Shotsfired seem to want to.

Again, 09-10 tour was a disgrace?

[RussTCB]

I almost hope Axl just grabs two more gunslingers and soldiers on.

I'd be surprised if that's not his next course of action. That or just releasing an album without touring for it.

[Strange Broue]

Reunion tours can be a bit cheesy though, i.e. old farts playing the hits for cash, all their respective lawyers ironing out a contract, etc. Robert Plant sums them up best,

"A (Zeppelin reunion) tour would have been an absolute menagerie of vested interests and the very essence of everything that's shitty about big-time stadium rock. We were surrounded by a circus of people that would have had our souls on the fire. I'm not part of a jukebox!"

- http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/robert-plant-slams-idea-of-zeppelin-tour-im-not-part-of-a-jukebox-20140508

How in the fuck would a Guns N Roses reunion tour be any more cheesy than what tours as GnR now? I mean Slash and Duff still kick tons of ass on stage. Izzy can still playa nd looks cool as always, Matt could do the job on drums. The only thing that has potential to be cheesy with a reunion tour is Axl.

Yeah, pretty much sums up for me too

Axl is done artistically as far as new music concerned, he let go of his own band during these 15 years and become a former shadow of his self from 2011 now on...

If he only want to tour the hits, then do it properly

a new album from a reunion line up is highly unlikely so it doesn't really matter. If he is willing to reconcile with Slash on the same stage again after all these years and various feuds and butthurt, then it REALLY DOESN'T MATTER, go out and do it with the classic guys then retire while milking the cash cow once more

So if anybody thinks they reunite because they are bury the hatchet and become frineds again, then they are fooling themselves, a reunion is just about the dollars at this point

Edited October 6, 2015 by Strange Broue

[Todo Poderoso Timão]

Best possible legacy from post-2000 era GNR would be HOB 2001 DVD. Period.

[-W.A.R-]

it could have been more if handled better

if he had immediately put another band together and kept things going then it may have been different

but he went reclusive (granted i understand he was going through some shit) but as they say "out of sight out of mind" and most fans probably just moved on

he finally resurfaced with a new band and honestly to tell the truth it wasn't GNR and really looked more like a circus act

any hope of his new band dissipated when the album didn't come out till 2008

[GNRfan2008]

GnR post 2000 deserve the legacy they have. A shit legacy for what became a shit show of an organization. None of this CD era or YES NuGnR is Guns N Roses. Why anyone would want to hold onto something that has basically been worthless is beyond me. The CD era of Guns N Roses is shit. It's accomplished nothing other than tarnish the Guns N Roses name and truthfully anyone wanting to stick with CD era GnR in favour of a reunion because they enjoyed following the band during this time are more in it for nostalgia and sentimental sake than those who want a reunion and REAL GUNS N FUCKIN' ROSES. The reason people want a reunion is because it's better. Plain and simple. End of story!

GN'R pretty much died as soon as they all got rich. Now they are all old on top of wealthy. It just isn't the same. Fucking incredible band when they were a bunch of gutter rats just trying to live to see another day.

[Nosaj Thing]

nuGuns, definitely. I really liked that band. Buckethead is fantastic and they deserved a 2006-2007, 2010 Axl Rose killing those notes like he used to in the 90s. They also deserved at least two or three records released during their tenure, but of course, Axl ruined everything.

I think the ones who truly put effort into doing something else, other than ridiculing themselves day in and day out deserved a better legacy under the GN'R name. Axl didn't, he has exactly what he deserves. He "worked" really hard to become a sad, pathetic joke and he got it.

[Graeme]

nuGuns, definitely. I really liked that band. Buckethead is fantastic and they deserved a 2006-2007, 2010 Axl Rose killing those notes like he used to in the 90s. They also deserved at least two or three records released during their tenure, but of course, Axl ruined everything.

I think the ones who truly put effort into doing something else, other than ridiculing themselves day in and day out deserved a better legacy under the GN'R name. Axl didn't, he has exactly what he deserves. He "worked" really hard to become a sad, pathetic joke and he got it.

When I saw you posted in here, I was preparing for a scathing attack that I would totally disagree with but reading this post we've a lot more in common than not...

I think it's a huge shame for the people who put in a lot of effort to make this work, to make it something creative and exciting, to make the live shows worth watching, to reach out to the fans and give something back (that means most of them, Finck, Buckethead, Brain, Richard, Ron, Dizzy, Tommy... even DJ's intentions about songwriting regardless of how annoying he became) that there are people who would try and belittle that, indeed people who would take great joy out of belittling that and would see these guys being forced out or put out of a job by a reunion as a good thing.

[Hollywood Gunner]

DJ Ashba has absolutely nothing to show for his time with Axl

yeah he has hogan ears

[Rovim]

Having said that, I think Azoff's determination to force a reunion after the release of the Chinese Democracy probably played a big role in making the release and the promotion around it as dysfunctional as it ended up being

Without that evil reunion midget, how do we know Axl would have released it? to ignore Axl's inability to release more than one album in 10 years (being so generous here) for whatever reason is irresponsible.

CD ll is done for how many years now? main problem is still Axl and his insecurities, inability to trust band members if they're not under contract and his need to obsess over how people perceive him and his music.

Slash said no album is worth 10 years. Slash right there is basically stating the quality of it does not matter when you can probably release 3 or even more great albums in 10 years.

An album is supposed to be a snapshot of a certain time in a musician's life anyway. It's not a statue, it's not a building. It's hard rock music. There are many bands with similar style have released truly epic albums or fantastic albums and it did not take them 10 years to create and release.

The Beatles, Pink Floyd, David Bowie, Queen, Faith No More. Even Trent didn't take that long. There is no excuse, even if Chinese is one of my favorite hard rock albums.

It's not about managers. It's about Axl. Any musician that truly wants to release an album will find a way to do so imo.

And it's even worse than that. Axl isn't even confident enough to give us real updates. Not about who's in the fuckin' band, not the real album title of CD ll, which is 15 years old now. Nothing.

All Guns N' Roses fans deserve better than that.

Edited October 6, 2015 by Rovim

[Mr. Dude]

Having said that, I think Azoff's determination to force a reunion after the release of the Chinese Democracy probably played a big role in making the release and the promotion around it as dysfunctional as it ended up being

Without that evil reunion midget, how do we know Axl would have released it? to ignore Axl's inability to release more than one album in 10 years (being so generous here) for whatever reason is irresponsible.

CD ll is done for how many years now? main problem is still Axl and his insecurities, inability to trust band members if they're not under contract and his need to obsess over how people perceive him and his music.

Slash said no album is worth 10 years. Slash right there is basically stating the quality of it does not matter when you can probably release 3 or even more great albums in 10 years.

An album is supposed to be a snapshot of a certain time in a musician's life anyway. It's not a statue, it's not a building. It's hard rock music. Many bands with similar style have released truly epic albums or fantastic albums and it did not took them 10 years.

The Beatles, Pink Floyd, David Bowie, Queen, Faith No More. Even Trent didn't take that long. There is no excuse, even if Chinese is one of my favorite hard rock albums.

It's not about managers. It's about Axl. Any musician that truly wants to release an album will find a way to do so imo.

And it's even worse than that. Axl isn't even confident enough to give us real updates. Not about who's in the fuckin' band, not the real album title of CD ll, which is 15 years old now.

I disagree.

[Rovim]

I disagree.

Shit. Seriously looking into deleting my previous post soon.

Edited October 6, 2015 by Rovim