Metal Matt Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Didn't see it posted here yet. Good read. http://teamrock.com/feature/2014-06-04/opinion-why-izzy-stradlin-was-the-heart-of-guns-n-roses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWINGTRADER Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Leaves no doubt that Axl destroyed the band. Izzy has never had an high opinion of Axl. Everything had to be perfect for him to put up with him. There is no wonder why he wants no part of this reunion. The Rock n Roll hall of fame was the last straw. Gnr's Appettitte for Destruction's soul died when Adler and Izzy were no longer in the band, and they are also sorely missed for this "reunion". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Money Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Good read. I'd never heard that about the RRHOF would-be meeting before. I can see why Izzy felt turned off by the idea of going after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post killuridols Posted June 5, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 5, 2016 Old stuff. Biased. Written by Niven who's famous for being an Axl-hater. Still stuck in the past. Complaining about things that happened 30 years ago. If it was Izzy's band then he should have fought for it. Im sick of Alan Niven's constant bs. It's always trying to put a black cloud over the band. Just leave it Niven, GNR will never ask you for help again. Get over it, already. Buy some cream for your butthurt and get over it. And it's already proven the RNRHOF induction was a fiasco that should have never happened. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLegend Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 36 minutes ago, SWINGTRADER said: Leaves no doubt that Axl destroyed the band. Izzy has never had an high opinion of Axl. Everything had to be perfect for him to put up with him. There is no wonder why he wants no part of this reunion. Old article ignoring that Izzy played with Axl after the Hall of Fame then again after this article came out. Niven is full of shit and biased. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Yeah I think it's an old read. Niven is an egotistical dipshit. I give him credit for the great whites success to an extent, but the guy has some serious issues understanding that he's not a rockstar. His bias towards slash and especially izzy makes him difficult to believe at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Silverburst80 Posted June 5, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 5, 2016 Izzy wasn't an angel either, was pretty lazy during the Illusions sessions by all accounts. The band worked very hard at his ideas and he can't be bothered recording a song like Coma because it has too many chord changes. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stella Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) That just sounded like a really bitter hatchet job, and complete bullshit. It was amusing how he glossed over Izzy's time as a heroin dealer and painted him as the good guy. Edited June 5, 2016 by stella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncitingChaos Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Isn't he the guy that said Izzy was recording with GNR this year, and would be at the shows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumikki Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) Yeah, sure, Alan Niven, go ahead and contribute some more to the tension that seems to be going on currently between Izzy and Axl (and Slash and Duff?). Always has such a hard-on for Izzy and Slash, and always trashes Axl. (Notice how he keeps referring to Izzy as "Iz" and to Axl as "Rose" throughout the article?) Don't get me wrong, I love Izzy and Slash as well, but let's try to be a little fair at least. And frankly, Izzy is not a saint either, as much as Alan Niven seems to think he is. Also, if Izzy really hated Axl as much as Alan Niven thinks he does, Izzy wouldn't have been the only one constantly checking up on Axl over the years, and the first one to make up with him again and join him on stage. Just shut up and go away. EDIT: Just saw that this is an old article. Doesn't really change anything though, except for my first parapgraph. Niven is still a douchebag. Edited June 5, 2016 by Lumikki 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenan Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Article full of negativity. Some may think it's based on "facts" but noone really needs that shit right now. I guess someone's feeling bored out of their mind and decided to muddy some waters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 4 hours ago, Silverburst80 said: Izzy wasn't an angel either, was pretty lazy during the Illusions sessions by all accounts. The band worked very hard at his ideas and he can't be bothered recording a song like Coma because it has too many chord changes. lazy? by all accounts? what accounts? the band worked very hard at his ideas? what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 I'm sure Duff is finding a way to have Izzy back, Slash and Axl too. They must reach some sort of agreement to make things happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-W.A.R- Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 i never knew Izzy sold heroin....you learn something every day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverburst80 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 39 minutes ago, ludurigan said: lazy? by all accounts? what accounts? the band worked very hard at his ideas? what? By other band members that good enough for you?, didn't even play on Coma or Locomotive pretty fucking lazy in my opinion i learnt those songs in an hour or two. What you mean "the band worked hard on his ideas", do you think he came up with Slash's solo work on fucking Dust n Bones?, laid down the piano on 14 years?, what the fuck are YOU talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumikki Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 6 minutes ago, -W.A.R- said: i never knew Izzy sold heroin....you learn something every day What did you think "I've been the dealer, hanging on your street..." was about? Izzy did indeed make his living by dealing heroin before Guns got big. 45 minutes ago, ludurigan said: lazy? by all accounts? what accounts? the band worked very hard at his ideas? what? Slash's, Axl's and even Duff's I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babooshka Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Well he was the primary songwriter on AfD. I don't think he was as business orientated as Axl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rd Wheel Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Niven was fired by Axl. Just remember that. Very likely he still holds a grudge. Take a lot of this -- including some of the stuff about how Izzy didn't want Axl to come to L.A. with him -- with a half a grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 I completely agree with Niven. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babooshka Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 36 minutes ago, 3rd Wheel said: Niven was fired by Axl. Just remember that. Very likely he still holds a grudge. Take a lot of this -- including some of the stuff about how Izzy didn't want Axl to come to L.A. with him -- with a half a grain of salt. Izzy himself said all of that back in the day. This whole thing about Izzy and Axl being super best friends in Indiana was made up during the nuGNR years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Babooshka said: Izzy himself said all of that back in the day. This whole thing about Izzy and Axl being super best friends in Indiana was made up during the nuGNR years. Source? Izzy is my favorite gunner and I've read and watched a lot of his interviews. I don't recall him ever saying he didn't want Axl out there with him. And I don't know about super BFFs, but they did hang out together when they were young. I remember Izzy saying he has very vivid memories of spending the summer when they were 16 or 17 with Axl and just driving around through the fields and doing drugs all day. Izzy was also the one who convinced Axl to try and sing in his band. And he was close enough to Axl to know about his messed-up home life and his lack of success in getting pussy. Sounds like they were at least somewhat close to me. Edited June 5, 2016 by Frey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scumcat Esq. Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 To cut a long story short, Alan Niven dislikes Axl Rose. Consistently. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverburst80 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) Nah it wasn't Izzy's band, the bands he was in before did nothing and he's done nothing of real note since. The man was a very good songwriter in his pomp but when he got in a room with the other guys his songs became legendary. The Ju Ju Hounds was Izzy's band Alan and Double Talkin Jive wouldn't have sounded quite so cool with that mob playing it. Edited June 5, 2016 by Silverburst80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Broue Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) This is a 2 years old article and it was posted here back in the day, but it was a nice read, although i must say that Niven was/is still butthurt because he got the boot from Axl Edited June 5, 2016 by Strange Broue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RONIN Posted June 6, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 6, 2016 Man -- there sure are a lot of Alan Niven haters here. It still doesn't change the fact that when he was managing the band, they were on top of the world. As soon as he left, we got the bloated tour shows, the riots and the band imploding. Axl doesn't like anyone who stands up to him -- Matt, Steven, Niven, and eventually Duff and Slash. Niven called out Axl on his bullshit. It's interesting that Izzy and Niven are the closest to each other and that once Niven left, that cemented Izzy's decision to leave. Izzy is also the only guy in the band who has no reason to lie or distort the truth about anything -- and he liked Niven. What that means to me was that Niven was a great manager who had the best interests of GnR in mind unlike the rest of the ass kissers Axl hired like Doug Goldstein. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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