Ep. 71 - Copyright Democracy (feat. Ms. Metal & FransNRoses)

[sidman69]

20 minutes ago, zombux said:

oh, is that an upgrade? I thought that the top of his responsibilities were the fake cloth patches

Don't forget designing the GNRAir merch!

[fanfzero]

"+ So, why are you in Jail?

- Well, I shared some terrible quality vhs-c Guns N Roses 1993 recording"

Seriously, this is crazy

[DieselDaisy]

''talking shit about Axl''. That is a telling phrase. 

[Gambit83]

48 minutes ago, fanfzero said:

"+ So, why are you in Jail?

- Well, I shared some terrible quality vhs-c Guns N Roses 1993 recording"

Seriously, this is crazy

He stored and sold stolen music. Don't throw stones kiddo.

[killuridols]

11 minutes ago, Gambit83 said:

He stored and sold stolen music. Don't throw stones kiddo.

He ripped off Rick Dunsford. Little thief should be in jail too, huh?

[Ratam]

13 minutes ago, Gambit83 said:

He stored and sold stolen music. Don't throw stones kiddo.

This is a very grotesque situation!!😕

[DieselDaisy]

Guns N' Roses, band and fans, must be the first in history which does not want anyone to listen to ''their music''. They actively prevent such conduct!! Their lazy frontman simply refuses to release new music and we are left with 4-5 ''meaningful'' releases basically (from a thirty year period). Their crazy fans boycott other fans from trading bootlegs by ratting other fans out in official places. I'm sure, taking all this to its logical conclusion, that the ''Last GN'R Fan Standing'' will simply consist of a chap with an £800 boxset of useless tat, trying on faux tattoos. 

[fanfzero]

1 hour ago, Gambit83 said:

He stored and sold stolen music. Don't throw stones kiddo.

I was making fun about if any of us went to jail because according to him sharing bootlegs is illegal. Alfred has done worse things and can get into trouble for them.

[donny]

just been listening to ep-76. the last 20 minutes are very true Brando. 

someone is going to get hurt soon if it carries on. could be a family member or one of the culprits.

lets hope they listen to your plea and put an end to it before it gets to that.

[Appetite4vinyl]

You know there is one way of beating the idiots thinking there doing the band massive favour and making the world a better place.........

Just rewind the clock how we always use to do it. But instead of posting the VHS direct emails to each other. Can they get an email address taken down? 

[downzy]

Posts that advocate for violence will be removed.  Regardless of how much you and I might believe it's justified or deserving, the forum can't be used as a platform for the promotion of violence towards another person.  

There are legal and criminal implications that need to be considered.

Thanks!

Downzy

[slash_plocman]

@sl4yer 's post

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I just realised that GNRPoland is taken down. what the fuck. Few years ago slasherr who was making this chanell even got a invate to meeting before concert in Rybnik with Bumblefoot because he liked his work. And now he's videos are gone. It's a fucking joke.

I am the owner of GNRPoland channel as well as slasherr videos. They took vimeo channel with all Chinese Democracy video album, yt channel with some NITL live vids and whole Rose Bar 2010.

Last months' been crazy.

[zombux]

1 minute ago, slash_plocman said:

@sl4yer 's post

I am the owner of GNRPoland channel as well as slasherr videos. They took vimeo channel with all Chinese Democracy video album, yt channel with some NITL live vids and whole Rose Bar 2010.

Last months' been crazy.

at least you supplied me all the slasherr vids some time ago, so consider me your backup  

[killuridols]

1 hour ago, slash_plocman said:

@sl4yer 's post

I am the owner of GNRPoland channel as well as slasherr videos. They took vimeo channel with all Chinese Democracy video album, yt channel with some NITL live vids and whole Rose Bar 2010.

Last months' been crazy.

Those Slasherr videos were amazing 

[Iron MikeyJ]

I gotta be honest here... I think MOST of you are WAY overreacting. I was ACTUALLY effected by this, but you don't here me crying. Now, the personal threats that a couple received, are inexcusable. But do we know for a FACT they came from the band, managers, label, etc? It seems to be the consensus that they were the work of a couple of crazy individuals, correct? How is that the bands fault? 

As for channels getting deleted, videos getting deleted, and even this forum getting C&D's, THAT'S the risk you take when you display or provide links to downloads of material YOU DON'T OWN. Like I said before, I had THE MOST POPULAR Sympathy for the Devil music video on YouTube. But according to YouTube's rules I KNEW the chance ALWAYS existed that somebody or some entity could get rid of it, period. I don't need an explanation, nor do I deserve one. At first I thought it was just MY VIDEOS, SO I was curious to the reasons behind that. But now I see it's BEEN EVERYBODY. That's what we get for uploading things we DON'T OWN THE COPYRIGHT to, end of discussion. That is why I personally stopped doing a gnr centric channel, I knew it was playing with fire. 

I understand that a lot of really good content got removed, things fans put a lot of HARD WORK into. But again, that's the risk you take. As a professional Youtuber I see videos DAILY with people abusing copyright laws,  and probably profiting off of those videos. Then when they get flagged by YouTube they cry and whine about it. To quote Jim Carey in Liar Liar "Don't break the law A$$H..."

Look, I'm not gonna lie, I have invested interest in this topic, as a Youtuber. I for one think it is a GOOD thing if YouTube cracks down on all content creators that sneak in copyrighted material into their videos. Why? For one, it's illegal. For two, for those of us that ACTUALLY own the rights to the video, audio, music, etc for ALL OF YOUR VIDEOS, it levels the playing field. Take my videos for example, I use music that was recorded by my old band as background music in all my videos. Why? Because I OWN it, I'm not profiting off of someone else's copyright. 

I can't tell you how many times that I've seen videos where a content creator uses a 2 second clip from Star Wars or another famous film. Did they ask for permission? No. Are they making money off of that video? Yes. How is that ok guys?

Look, many younger (yes I'm calling out the late teens/early 20s crowd here) have gotten into the habit (because YouTube has allowed it to happen) of making videos where they are just talking in front of a camera, but they splice in TONS of copyrighted video and music, edit them together well, and become YouTube famous. That's not ok guys, and to be quite frank it HAS TO CHANGE. Not only is illegal, but it's hurting, not helping, the film, music and Youtube industries. Why? It's making people lazy and less creative with what they are creating. Why make something unique and different when I can just steal parts from songs that I like as background music, and steal clips from Star Wars to make my video enjoyable? 

Now, according to fair use guidelines, you ARE allowed to use a certain (time) amount of copyrighted material for use in a REVIEW. Meaning, you CAN show a certain amount of footage from the film/tv show/etc that you are reviewing. But you CAN NOT put Star Wars clips (for entertainment purposes) in a video about Guns n Roses (just using them as an example), but SO many people do exactly that. Then they ry and hide behind "fair use" and it's ridiculous. 

My final point is this, this issue is WAY BIGGER than just a Guns n Roses issue. Youtube has been cracking down across the board. It started when advertisers didn't want their ads displayed before videos that they didn't agree with the video content. Ever since then, it's been a MAJOR YouTube issue, literally thousands of videos have been made about this issue, with most people complaint because they got busted. Which I just got busted for my guns videos as well, but I deserved it, as did they. Instead of taking responsibility for their actions, they whine and complain that "YouTube is out to get me." (Pun intended, lol)

Again, I don't condone ANY threats made towards certain individuals. That was VERY MUCH out of bounds, and I hope whomever made those threats is held accountable. But as for videos being removed or channels getting deleted, you knew the risks when you posted that stuff. That's not the bands fault, that's your fault. I know somebody is gonna say "but that band over there allows it". So what? I bet they are on borrowed time, they will get busted eventually as well. I literally just read today that it's been happening in the Beatles community as well. So it's NOT just Guns n Roses. 

[RussTCB]

5 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

I gotta be honest here... I think MOST of you are WAY overreacting. I was ACTUALLY effected by this, but you don't here me crying. Now, the personal threats that a couple received, are inexcusable. But do we know for a FACT they came from the band, managers, label, etc? It seems to be the consensus that they were the work of a couple of crazy individuals, correct? How is that the bands fault? 

As for channels getting deleted, videos getting deleted, and even this forum getting C&D's, THAT'S the risk you take when you display or provide links to downloads of material YOU DON'T OWN. Like I said before, I had THE MOST POPULAR Sympathy for the Devil music video on YouTube. But according to YouTube's rules I KNEW the chance ALWAYS existed that somebody or some entity could get rid of it, period. I don't need an explanation, nor do I deserve one. At first I thought it was just MY VIDEOS, SO I was curious to the reasons behind that. But now I see it's BEEN EVERYBODY. That's what we get for uploading things we DON'T OWN THE COPYRIGHT to, end of discussion. That is why I personally stopped doing a gnr centric channel, I knew it was playing with fire. 

I understand that a lot of really good content got removed, things fans put a lot of HARD WORK into. But again, that's the risk you take. As a professional Youtuber I see videos DAILY with people abusing copyright laws,  and probably profiting off of those videos. Then when they get flagged by YouTube they cry and whine about it. To quote Jim Carey in Liar Liar "Don't break the law A$$H..."

Look, I'm not gonna lie, I have invested interest in this topic, as a Youtuber. I for one think it is a GOOD thing if YouTube cracks down on all content creators that sneak in copyrighted material into their videos. Why? For one, it's illegal. For two, for those of us that ACTUALLY own the rights to the video, audio, music, etc for ALL OF YOUR VIDEOS, it levels the playing field. Take my videos for example, I use music that was recorded by my old band as background music in all my videos. Why? Because I OWN it, I'm not profiting off of someone else's copyright. 

I can't tell you how many times that I've seen videos where a content creator uses a 2 second clip from Star Wars or another famous film. Did they ask for permission? No. Are they making money off of that video? Yes. How is that ok guys?

Look, many younger (yes I'm calling out the late teens/early 20s crowd here) have gotten into the habit (because YouTube has allowed it to happen) of making videos where they are just talking in front of a camera, but they splice in TONS of copyrighted video and music, edit them together well, and become YouTube famous. That's not ok guys, and to be quite frank it HAS TO CHANGE. Not only is illegal, but it's hurting, not helping, the film, music and Youtube industries. Why? It's making people lazy and less creative with what they are creating. Why make something unique and different when I can just steal parts from songs that I like as background music, and steal clips from Star Wars to make my video enjoyable? 

Now, according to fair use guidelines, you ARE allowed to use a certain (time) amount of copyrighted material for use in a REVIEW. Meaning, you CAN show a certain amount of footage from the film/tv show/etc that you are reviewing. But you CAN NOT put Star Wars clips (for entertainment purposes) in a video about Guns n Roses (just using them as an example), but SO many people do exactly that. Then they ry and hide behind "fair use" and it's ridiculous. 

My final point is this, this issue is WAY BIGGER than just a Guns n Roses issue. Youtube has been cracking down across the board. It started when advertisers didn't want their ads displayed before videos that they didn't agree with the video content. Ever since then, it's been a MAJOR YouTube issue, literally thousands of videos have been made about this issue, with most people complaint because they got busted. Which I just got busted for my guns videos as well, but I deserved it, as did they. Instead of taking responsibility for their actions, they whine and complain that "YouTube is out to get me." (Pun intended, lol)

Again, I don't condone ANY threats made towards certain individuals. That was VERY MUCH out of bounds, and I hope whomever made those threats is held accountable. But as for videos being removed or channels getting deleted, you knew the risks when you posted that stuff. That's not the bands fault, that's your fault. I know somebody is gonna say "but that band over there allows it". So what? I bet they are on borrowed time, they will get busted eventually as well. I literally just read today that it's been happening in the Beatles community as well. So it's NOT just Guns n Roses. 

What thread was this meant for? Doesn't seem to mesh with this particular one. If you meant for it to go in a different thread and I'll move it. 

I'd like to reply to some of this but figured I should find out where it's supposed to go first. 

[Iron MikeyJ]

1 minute ago, RussTCB said:

What thread was this meant for? Doesn't seem to mesh with this particular one. If you meant for it to go in a different thread and I'll move it. 

I'd like to reply to some of this but figured I should find out where it's supposed to go first. 

You can move it to whatever thread you thinks it's most relevant to.

[RussTCB]

2 minutes ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

You can move it to whatever thread you thinks it's most relevant to.

Umm... OK? Maybe in the future give some thought to posting in the correct thread. I moved your post to the thread it actually pertains to. 

[Stoymatic]

14 hours ago, Iron MikeyJ said:

You can move it to whatever thread you thinks it's most relevant to.

It sounds like we have a crusader on our hands! Everyone better listen up!!! 😂😂😂😂😂

 

[FRANSAD]

TLDR
 

 

[FRANSAD]

So i uploaded the Saskatoon show to Youtube to see if it would hold and guess what few hours ago it got pulled and i received a strike for it and even my twitter got suspended for having a ytlink to that show. But i don't mind because for me it's clear team moron is definitely involved with this. I mean how hard can it be to just say NO we don't want anything on youtube so people will know and stop uploading on the tube, is that too much to ask for? Anyways i'm done ill find another band with a decent management to promote and make some proper video's for.

[Stoymatic]

On 8/5/2018 at 3:40 PM, FRANSAD said:

So i uploaded the Saskatoon show to Youtube to see if it would hold and guess what few hours ago it got pulled and i received a strike for it and even my twitter got suspended for having a ytlink to that show. But i don't mind because for me it's clear team moron is definitely involved with this. I mean how hard can it be to just say NO we don't want anything on youtube so people will know and stop uploading on the tube, is that too much to ask for? Anyways i'm done ill find another band with a decent management to promote and make some proper video's for.

The band clearly doesn’t realize what this whole ordeal is doing to the diehards. For you, you put in so much time and dedication to what GnR have done musically. You would think the band would love to have you posting all of their highlights, yet it seems they don’t. That or they are that out of touch that they don’t have any clue. 

Its like you have been promoting the band for years, but you have got no support from them when you have been attacked by a scumbag. What a slap in the face! 

I wonder what it will take for these guys and their management to take action and do right by all the fans???

[ZoSoRose]

@Fernando, let us know when you feel like doing your job and addressing this... No? Ok...

[downzy]

11 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

@Fernando, let us know when you feel like doing your job and addressing this... No? Ok...

Would you prefer him or a member of GNR management to speak before fully looking into it or would you prefer to give them time and then address it?

Kind of would prefer the latter myself.  

[ZoSoRose]

2 minutes ago, downzy said:

Would you prefer him or a member of GNR management to speak before fully looking into it or would you prefer to give them time and then address it?

Kind of would prefer the latter myself.  

Id love to be proven wrong and will gladly admit when I am. Theres been no word from the camp about this issue, and for all we know, it will be brushed under the rug.

Am I making am assumption? Sure, but as of right now, its all we have. If we move on and forget about what has happened, it's easier to cover up