Popular Post Draguns Posted February 17 Popular Post Share Posted February 17 16 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said: I don't think that's why people are disappointed with it. It doesn't really go anywhere, it's very repetitive, soaked in effects, it's just not a great song. After The General, Soul Monster was absolutely the next most hyped song, and most people here think it's the best 'leftover' we've heard. It seems to have actually lived up to the hype. So I don't think The General was bound to fail because it had become mythical, it failed because it's boring. I'd say Monsters is the only song we've heard that could've replaced anything on CD... and maybe Hardschool if they'd kept it similar to the Village version. I'd love to hear the Bucket/Robin versions of these songs, but I still don't think The General would've been strong enough to replace anything on CD. I have to say that the Hard Skool version in the Village leak is a mess. The drums are good, but the guitars are all over the place. Slash and Duff cleaned up the song. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 9 minutes ago, Draguns said: I have to say that the Hard Skool version in the Village leak is a mess. The drums are good, but the guitars are all over the place. Slash and Duff cleaned up the song. Of course they did and it was necessary. It always makes me laugh when I read how much better the village leaks are. Atlas is the same kind of a mess, but I doubt Slash and Duff can polish that turd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfTheWave Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 If The World is a fantastic song. Some of Axl's best melodies and amazing vocals. It's haters can never come up with anything really substantive to say about why it supposedly sucks so much, just general statements about it sounding like James Bond or a porn soundtrack. In particular this is one of the few CD songs I would have really liked to hear Slash play, since I think the Latinesque guitars would really suit his style. But Axl couldn't come close to singing it these days. Scraped is a song that people seem to latch on to one part of it that they hate (In this case the intro) and then say the entire thing sucks. It has cool riffs, cool lyrics besides the cringe "don't you try and stop us now", and a great groove. The General is a decent song but it's drenched in Marilyn Manson type effects that don't fit Axl's voice, and the melody Brain/Xtract came up with is cheesy and detracts from the serious nature of the lyrics. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post El Guapo Posted February 17 Popular Post Share Posted February 17 (edited) 42 minutes ago, ShadowOfTheWave said: If The World is a fantastic song. Some of Axl's best melodies and amazing vocals. It's haters can never come up with anything really substantive to say about why it supposedly sucks so much, just general statements about it sounding like James Bond or a porn soundtrack. In particular this is one of the few CD songs I would have really liked to hear Slash play, since I think the Latinesque guitars would really suit his style. But Axl couldn't come close to singing it these days. Scraped is a song that people seem to latch on to one part of it that they hate (In this case the intro) and then say the entire thing sucks. It has cool riffs, cool lyrics besides the cringe "don't you try and stop us now", and a great groove. The General is a decent song but it's drenched in Marilyn Manson type effects that don't fit Axl's voice, and the melody Brain/Xtract came up with is cheesy and detracts from the serious nature of the lyrics. I'm totally of the opinion that this forum would absolutely praise ITW or Scraped if they were released NOW and were never heard before. Both songs are SO much better than The General. Edited February 17 by El Guapo 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 13 hours ago, Towelie said: You seriously think Scraped and If The World are better songs than The General? They're really really not. Hell yea, especially If The World - great raspy vocals, nice Bucket solo, and as far as the 'experimental' songs go I'd say ITW hits the target it was going for (fun Bond kind of song) much better than The General. ITW was great live, too. Not that Scraped and ITW are top tier songs, but I'd rank The General as barely better than Absurd... 11 hours ago, JimiRose said: Riad is the weakest song on CD and a 'Rocker' so Harsdschool could have easily been in it's place on the album, and maybe been track number 2 to really give the album the hard rock punch before going into the epic stuff. Monsters would easily be a top 5 track on CD. I'm upset Atlas never made it, that was an obvious radio song from the album. The demo versions of Hardschool and Rhiad are both good, and the final versions of both songs are mediocre. Yea, they could've been swapped on the album, but Hardschool still would've been one of the weakest tracks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, Draguns said: I have to say that the Hard Skool version in the Village leak is a mess. The drums are good, but the guitars are all over the place. Slash and Duff cleaned up the song. Of course a lot of people will prefer Slash's guitar tone, but it's not just that the drums in the demo are better, they completely change the energy and drive the song. The intro could be cut down a bit, but overall I think the demo is way better. The loud mix/master, simplified drums and all the vocal effects really bring down the released version... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 5 hours ago, ShadowOfTheWave said: If The World is a fantastic song. Some of Axl's best melodies and amazing vocals. It's haters can never come up with anything really substantive to say about why it supposedly sucks so much, just general statements about it sounding like James Bond or a porn soundtrack. In particular this is one of the few CD songs I would have really liked to hear Slash play, since I think the Latinesque guitars would really suit his style. But Axl couldn't come close to singing it these days. Scraped is a song that people seem to latch on to one part of it that they hate (In this case the intro) and then say the entire thing sucks. It has cool riffs, cool lyrics besides the cringe "don't you try and stop us now", and a great groove. The General is a decent song but it's drenched in Marilyn Manson type effects that don't fit Axl's voice, and the melody Brain/Xtract came up with is cheesy and detracts from the serious nature of the lyrics. I know I’m in the minority but think IFW is better than songs like Catcher, SOD and Shackler’s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draguns Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 6 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said: Of course a lot of people will prefer Slash's guitar tone, but it's not just that the drums in the demo are better, they completely change the energy and drive the song. The intro could be cut down a bit, but overall I think the demo is way better. The loud mix/master, simplified drums and all the vocal effects really bring down the released version... I prefer the studio version. It's too bad that the drums got replaced. Overall, the song is just better for me as the official version with Slash and Duff. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 hours ago, Draguns said: I prefer the studio version. It's too bad that the drums got replaced. Overall, the song is just better for me as the official version with Slash and Duff. That's fair, I prefer the demo but that doesn't mean I hate the single, I can see why people would prefer either version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 20 hours ago, Free Bird said: Of course they did and it was necessary. It always makes me laugh when I read how much better the village leaks are. Atlas is the same kind of a mess, but I doubt Slash and Duff can polish that turd. The Village leaks were rough mixes. The fact they are even compared to the officially released versions speaks volumes for the poor butchering of those songs and even worse production of the final stonewalled product. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimiRose Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 20 hours ago, ShadowOfTheWave said: If The World is a fantastic song. Some of Axl's best melodies and amazing vocals. It's haters can never come up with anything really substantive to say about why it supposedly sucks so much, just general statements about it sounding like James Bond or a porn soundtrack. In particular this is one of the few CD songs I would have really liked to hear Slash play, since I think the Latinesque guitars would really suit his style. But Axl couldn't come close to singing it these days. Scraped is a song that people seem to latch on to one part of it that they hate (In this case the intro) and then say the entire thing sucks. It has cool riffs, cool lyrics besides the cringe "don't you try and stop us now", and a great groove. The General is a decent song but it's drenched in Marilyn Manson type effects that don't fit Axl's voice, and the melody Brain/Xtract came up with is cheesy and detracts from the serious nature of the lyrics. If the world is cool as an album track. The lyrics are pretty bad and very simple, but the vocal delivery and music is fantastic. Scraped Is a good rocker. People have to find songs to hate coz so few are released. If GnR had 10 albums peolpe wouldnt mind these songs on the albums, but because GnRs back catalogue is so sparse and released so rarely, every album needs to be a greatest hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 1 hour ago, Sweersa said: The Village leaks were rough mixes. The fact they are even compared to the officially released versions speaks volumes for the poor butchering of those songs and even worse production of the final stonewalled product. No, it speaks volumes about the fanbase who praise these rough mixes. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonizedmind Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) I respect alternative opinions and the usual status quo that's held by many in here....but the whole old demoes from a CD-R always being better for some than the released versions is fine...until you hold the same opinion for something like The General or Monsters (which funnily enough started really positive for those thst were sure it wasn't Slash - since done reversals 😝), so where there is no evidence to digest of an earlier version (currently) of those and yet they're still adamant that mythical unheard version is better than what you've heard...that's when you loose me... Don't review a movie based on only seeing the trailer dude! Edited February 19 by colonizedmind 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 8 hours ago, Free Bird said: No, it speaks volumes about the fanbase who praise these rough mixes. They praise them because they are cohesive songs, contributed to by the band that created them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draguns Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 29 minutes ago, Sweersa said: They praise them because they are cohesive songs, contributed to by the band that created them. No offense, but the songs on the Village leaks were not cohesive. They needed work. Hard Skool is the perfect example of a rough demo that needed work on it. It was a freaking mess. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draguns Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Thinking about this further, it really s!cked for the band that the songs leaked. I was like everyone else listening to the leak. It's clear now as to why GNR didn't want those songs to be leaked. Those songs simply weren't ready to be heard. They needed work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 9 hours ago, Free Bird said: No, it speaks volumes about the fanbase who praise these rough mixes. Chinese is a great sounding imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneway23 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 As others have said, If the World was one of the better examples of Axl trying to modernize, IMO. Great playing, great groove, great vocal performance. Scraped is one where I do get why people don't like it, but, that still always surprises me a little bit. Sure, the intro is not everyone's thing, but, the main riff is tough, the solo is good, and the bridge, as brief as it is (sadly) is one of the most "old school GN'R" sounding sections on the entire album. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfacelessturtle Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 55 minutes ago, oneway23 said: As others have said, If the World was one of the better examples of Axl trying to modernize, IMO. Great playing, great groove, great vocal performance. Scraped is one where I do get why people don't like it, but, that still always surprises me a little bit. Sure, the intro is not everyone's thing, but, the main riff is tough, the solo is good, and the bridge, as brief as it is (sadly) is one of the most "old school GN'R" sounding sections on the entire album. What bridge part are you referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, Draguns said: No offense, but the songs on the Village leaks were not cohesive. They needed work. Hard Skool is the perfect example of a rough demo that needed work on it. It was a freaking mess. It’s less of a mess than the 2021 release. We can’t even tell if the drums on it are from a drum machine or a person. That’s bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneway23 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, evilfacelessturtle said: What bridge part are you referring to? 2:15-2:30 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneway23 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 4 hours ago, Draguns said: No offense, but the songs on the Village leaks were not cohesive. They needed work. Hard Skool is the perfect example of a rough demo that needed work on it. It was a freaking mess. Why would anyone compare rough mixes to commercially released studio tracks though? Of course there's no comparison. It's apples & oranges. Completely misses the point, IMO. There's no telling what the Village Leaks would sound like mixed and mastered to a commercial standard because we have no idea what artistic choices they would have hypothetically made. I think they're viewed fondly by many because it's cool to hear the people who actually wrote the songs play them, as opposed to the current band flying in modern pro-tools session overdubs on top of them. As much as I love Duff & Slash, what fkn emotional connection could they possibly have to Silkworms & Hard School? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 4 hours ago, Sweersa said: They praise them because they are cohesive songs, contributed to by the band that created them. You can praise them as long as you want but as long as I have my own ears I know it’s garbage what you are listening to. No offense, you can listen to what ever you want but now that I know what these demos sound like, I don’t have to rely on other people’s opinion. Cohesive would be the last adjective that comes to mind when listening to those. Edited February 19 by Free Bird 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudsonsaul Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 4 hours ago, Draguns said: Thinking about this further, it really s!cked for the band that the songs leaked. I was like everyone else listening to the leak. It's clear now as to why GNR didn't want those songs to be leaked. Those songs simply weren't ready to be heard. They needed work. Yeah, but the released versions to me highlighted that they didn't do any work of note to better them. (sorry assuming you're talking about village demos and latest releases etc). The new songs are bang average at best, and I'm a gnr nerd giving them plenty of time to digest. I don't doubt that they could create a cool and good album, by maybe dedicating 4 weeks in the studio, playing as live as possible with a producer that will push them and challenge them not nod and yes them. For all they're rock n roll attitude, they take themselves far to seriously and imo it fucks their art in a negative way. Genuinely think if they enjoyed themselves playing together, and created an environment in the studio that reflected and encouraged that the result would be a great album (not necessarily AFD great or ground breaking, who cares about that, but a good fucking guns album ppl and they can enjoy). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimiRose Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 8 hours ago, Draguns said: Thinking about this further, it really s!cked for the band that the songs leaked. I was like everyone else listening to the leak. It's clear now as to why GNR didn't want those songs to be leaked. Those songs simply weren't ready to be heard. They needed work. You say that, but realistically how much work do you think was actually done to them? There was probably not much changed except mix, and effects on the guitar or vocals. Even hardskool, all they did was cut the intro. the structure of the song is exactly the same. perhaps is identical. just sounds crisper (it got mastered) and slash played a new solo over it. The demos we heard were fully fledged demos, not just playing in the studio and saying 'hey ax how about this?' these were 'ok these songs are there. lets do a first proper demo' The only ones that clearly weren't were nothing and eye on you, which were just ideas that got looped. Atlas shrugged will barely have changed if ever released. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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