The "New Album" Thread. Thanks to the long ass thread, I’m going home!

[SoulMonster]

Here's a summary. For speed I have omitted citations, but naturally I have quotes for everything.

1994-1996, Axl, Dizzy, Paul, Matt, Duff and Slash
Duff would say they were working on "15 different things, some just riff, some bodies". Matt said the plan was to release an album with 10 or 12 songs. In September 1996, Duff would say they were "taking 40 songs and finding 12". Whether that was an exaggeration or if they were really working on music for 40 songs, is not known. The plan was still one album with 12 songs. It seems like they might have more or less finished 7 songs, but likely without vocals, before Slash left the band.

1996-April 1997, Axl, Dizzy, Paul, Matt and Duff
With Slash gone the band would continue working on the same material and a rumour would have it that Axl was specifically working on seven songs. When Matt left in April he would claim they had "400 hours of jams, riff and songs recorded on ADAT."

April 1997-August 1997, Axl, Dizzy, Duff, Paul Robin
A new lineup was starting to materialize and with Slash gone, the music changed. Before he left, Matt said they had recorded "4,800 hours of music" with "15 really strong songs". The music was described as a mix of Soundgarden and Nine Inch Nails. Chris Vrenna and Billy Howerdel were involved and likely influenced the music. Still, Vrenna described the album as pretty old-school rock, similar to Appetite. It seems like the band was now working on new songs and had abandoned songs from the Matt/Duff/Slash sessions. Moby would say songs were finished and sounded like rock songs with sampling technology.

1998-1999, Axl, Dizzy, Paul, Robin, Tommy, Josh, Chris Pitman
In January 1998 the band moves into Rumbo Recorders to start record songs, but they would spend studio time still working on song ideas. With Tommy joining in April 1998 it seems like things started picking up speed. No vocals were recorded in the period Jan-Aug 1998. It seems like they started recording, and adding vocals in the second half of 1998. Still, vocals were not finished, and songs were not mixed. Sean Beavan, who got involved with the project in Aug 1998, would talk about Axl recording vocals, likely in 1998 or 1999. Beavan left in 1999 and say he had done "35 songs". Robin left in Aug 1999. By then they had created "enough songs for several records". Robin would also say that "two fistfuls [of songs] are musically finished". When Josh left in March 2000, they had 16 songs on an A list and about 20 songs on a B list. This fits nicely with what Beavan said. In 1999, Axl would say they had worked on about 70 songs and that they had two album's worth of songs solidly recorded. In Nov 1999, Axl would say he was 3/4 finished with recording vocals.

2000-2001, Axl, Dizzy, Paul, Tommy, Bucket, Brain, Chris
In February 2000, Roy Thomas Baker got involved and wanted to re-record everything. Brain also joined in 2000 and Axl wanted his drums on the songs. A new period of recording took place. In October, Bob Ezrin got to hear the material and give his input, and he referred to the songs as being "painted over too many times." Ezrin also recommended they move out of Rumbo and into Village, which they did. Axl would tell Ezrin he had finished recording the album, Ezrin told him he only had 2.5 songs.

The Village leaks contained songs that seem to have been mostly recorded at Village studio in late 2000/early 2001 and contained 36 songs on five "rough mixes" discs. These 36 songs likely mostly represent the songs that were A and B listed in in 1999, plus a few new songs from Bucket. In addition, the discs contained some additional songs that had probably more recently been brought into the band. The discs likely contained the songs the band was most interested in releasing. It is not known if the leaks represent all the band worked on at the time or if any of the songs stemmed from back then Duff and Slash was still in the band. But the number (36) is too close to what had already been talked about to not think these songs represented the A and B lists from 1999 plus additional, newer songs.

2002, Axl, Dizzy, Robin, Bucket, Brain, Richard, Chris
Zutaut, who was involved in the project from June 2001 to January 2002, would say they had 50-60 songs on four or five discs of 12-14 songs each, and that he convinced Axl to choose which songs to focus on. This does not align with the Village leaks which had about half of this. In early 2002, a label representative said he went to the studio and heard 41 songs that had been chosen from the 60-70 they had first written. 41 could be aligned with the Village leaks when you add in the more unfinished songs. In March 2002, Robin would state that the first album was finished. In August 2002, Axl stated that new songs had replaced some of the old songs intended for the album. Around the same time, Axl would also say they would get 18 songs plus 10 additional songs, and then the second album would be released and by then he expected him to have finished the third album. This suggests they were more or less finished with two albums at this time. Richard joined in 2002 and from August he would start recording his part to the songs. In November/December, Tommy and Dizzy would say only a few smaller pieces were missing on the first album and that it had to be mixed.

2003-April 2006, Axl, Dizzy, Robin, Brain, Richard, Chris
Axl would talk about how he was now-co-producing the album and Tommy would mention they intended to finalize the album in September. Bucket left in 2003. In early 2004 Geffen shut down operations. The band left Village Recorder.  Throughout 2004, band members would say it was very close to be finished and that legal stuff prevented it from being released. In early 2005, Brain would describe it as being 95% finished.  By June 2005, Richard would say that Axl was still recording vocals. Dizzy would say they three albums of material. In February 2006, Axl was "almost finished" according to Merck. Axl would say they were working on 32 songs and that 26 are nearly done. In hindsight we know that excluding the 13 songs that would end up on Chinese Democracy, the Village leaks of songs from 2000-2001 contained 27 additional songs in various stages of completion. Many of these had obviously been discarded.

May 2006-2008, Axl, Dizzy, Robin, Frank, Richard, Chris, Bumblefoot
With Bumblefoot and Frank joining the release would again be delayed as they recorded their contributions to the album. Marc Canter and Sebastian Bach got to hear the finished album, "with vocals and everything". Bach would also say Axl got "like 30-some songs", which fits with what Axl had said. In May, Axl would say they had recorded 2.5 album worth of songs, likely corresponding to the 26 songs he had talked about in February. He specified that two record were almost completely done (majority of music and vocals), with the third being about halfway done. In late 2006, Axl would say the album would not come out this year. In early 2007, Axl recorded the final vocals. Then mixing started. In November 2007, Bach would claim Axl had four albums worth of material. In early 2008, pre-release negotiations started. The album is released in November. Axl would then say he had worked on two album and that the unreleased songs were finished "depending on how you looked at it".

2009-Today
Dizzy and Tommy would confirm they had recorded three albums of material but that some lacked vocals. In 2011, Tommy would say there are 22 unreleased tracks. This fits pretty well with the 32 songs that Axl had mentioned. What is not clear is how many of these contain vocals and are ready to go, but based on Axl statement that 26 were nearly done in Feb 2006, it is likely that the second album was more or less complete with vocals. It us not known if Axl has continued working on the rest of the 32 songs, and possibly finished up more of them. Slash and Duff added their contributions to some songs after 2016, possibly songs intended for the follow-up. In 2017, Tommy mentioned that in addition to the songs they had worked on for CD and the follow-up, there was material that had been written when Slash and Duff was in the band, possibly from the work in 1994-1996.
 

 

[JimiRose]

On 7/15/2024 at 9:50 PM, 2020_Intensions said:

You're forgetting to count the remix album tracks. 

I am going to hope and pray they were not part of the 32 Axl mentioned. and I wouldn't count them as 'new' songs even though they were most likely concieved in 09/10 with ashba. 

[Lelex95]

23 hours ago, jamillos said:

I think it's debatable at the very least. And that "it's not like you either get one or the other" could be applied to your last sentence... 

well ok, if it’s debatable give me the evidence that suggests that publishing a cover would mean not publishing original material instead. 
you could apply it to my last sentence but it would mean nothing as my last sentence is merely me saying I’d rather get Wichita than nothing, I’m not suggesting those are the two available options. 

[2020_Intensions]

43 minutes ago, Lelex95 said:

well ok, if it’s debatable give me the evidence that suggests that publishing a cover would mean not publishing original material instead. 
you could apply it to my last sentence but it would mean nothing as my last sentence is merely me saying I’d rather get Wichita than nothing, I’m not suggesting those are the two available options. 

I'd rather get Wichita than a brand new song 

[jamillos]

48 minutes ago, Lelex95 said:

well ok, if it’s debatable give me the evidence that suggests that publishing a cover would mean not publishing original material instead. 
you could apply it to my last sentence but it would mean nothing as my last sentence is merely me saying I’d rather get Wichita than nothing, I’m not suggesting those are the two available options. 

There’s no "evidence", everything here is speculation. What I had in mind is a cover being a part of a new album, not released separately as a single. And in that case, it would be more logical – if they release an album of let’s say 14 songs with one of them being a cover – that if the cover hadn’t been there, they would have put an original song there instead, rather than a situation where they wanted to release a 13-track album and then suddenly said "hey, let’s throw in an extra track on it, in the form of a cover version". Dunno, the first sounds generally more plausible to me. The way Axl probably thinks these things through, I imagine he’d have a certain comprehensive picture in mind, rather than putting there something extra on a whim. In which case the cover would indeed take up space for a GNR song. It’s hard to explain, but this is the way I see it. 

[Rindmelon]

@SoulMonster You should try contacting Krys Baratto sometime.. The shadow band bass player who was working when Duff and Matt were out with Neurotic Outsiders

https://metalsludge.tv/classic/?p=27355

7. Rumor has it that you may (or may not) appear on Axl?s ?Chinese Democracy? album. What was your involvement with that, how long ago did you record anything for that, and do you think it will ever actually see the light of day?

Ya know what? No. I did play on the demos that were being recorded for what I guess may be that record. This was back in like ’96 to ’97. I would like to hear it come out, I don’t think it will. If it hasn’t by now do you think it will?/

If they had Oklahoma by the time they went into Rumbo in 98 then Krys would have probably worked on at least that.

[SoulMonster]

25 minutes ago, Rindmelon said:

@SoulMonster You should try contacting Krys Baratto sometime.. The shadow band bass player who was working when Duff and Matt were out with Neurotic Outsiders

https://metalsludge.tv/classic/?p=27355

7. Rumor has it that you may (or may not) appear on Axl?s ?Chinese Democracy? album. What was your involvement with that, how long ago did you record anything for that, and do you think it will ever actually see the light of day?

Ya know what? No. I did play on the demos that were being recorded for what I guess may be that record. This was back in like ’96 to ’97. I would like to hear it come out, I don’t think it will. If it hasn’t by now do you think it will?/

If they had Oklahoma by the time they went into Rumbo in 98 then Krys would have probably worked on at least that.

I have talked to Krys. There are plenty of quotes from him from our communication scattered through the history section of A4D. 

[jacdaniel]

Both Slash and Ron have confirmed that they never actually got in a room with Axl and wrote music.

Any material that exists at this point is likely at least 20 years old. That’s around the last time Axl wrote a song for Guns. 

If material is unused in 20 years, there’s usually a fairly good reason for that… 

[Blackstar]

9 hours ago, Rindmelon said:

@SoulMonster You should try contacting Krys Baratto sometime.. The shadow band bass player who was working when Duff and Matt were out with Neurotic Outsiders

8 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

I have talked to Krys. There are plenty of quotes from him from our communication scattered through the history section of A4D. 

Yeah, and quotes from the conversation (as well as quotes from Krys Baratto's other interviews) can be found here:

1995-1997: KRYS BARATTO AND SID RIGGS (a-4-d.com)

 

Edited July 18 by Blackstar

[Lelex95]

20 hours ago, jamillos said:

There’s no "evidence", everything here is speculation. What I had in mind is a cover being a part of a new album, not released separately as a single. And in that case, it would be more logical – if they release an album of let’s say 14 songs with one of them being a cover – that if the cover hadn’t been there, they would have put an original song there instead, rather than a situation where they wanted to release a 13-track album and then suddenly said "hey, let’s throw in an extra track on it, in the form of a cover version". Dunno, the first sounds generally more plausible to me. The way Axl probably thinks these things through, I imagine he’d have a certain comprehensive picture in mind, rather than putting there something extra on a whim. In which case the cover would indeed take up space for a GNR song. It’s hard to explain, but this is the way I see it. 

Well I was saying that I think we ain’t getting an album, rather we should expect atlas and monsters and maybe a studio Wichita. 
Even if we talk albums, covers are usually put in to fill gaps, no the other way around. 
Gnr has also previously published albums filled with filler tracks despite having more than enough big guns to live them out so it’s actually plausible that if they had a whole album and the cover they’d squeeze them in. 

[jamillos]

34 minutes ago, Lelex95 said:

Well I was saying that I think we ain’t getting an album, rather we should expect atlas and monsters and maybe a studio Wichita. 
Even if we talk albums, covers are usually put in to fill gaps, no the other way around. 
Gnr has also previously published albums filled with filler tracks despite having more than enough big guns to live them out so it’s actually plausible that if they had a whole album and the cover they’d squeeze them in. 

Ok, let's just hope it won't be the case. And if by fillers you mean the CD album, let's not forget there was supposed to be a sequel. Which is also the answer to the people who keep wondering why Axl didn't put stuff like Hard Skool or Soul Monster there. You can't put all big guns on one record and then release a leftover crap (putting aside whether HS is a big gun or not). 

[Sweersa]

3 hours ago, jamillos said:

Ok, let's just hope it won't be the case. And if by fillers you mean the CD album, let's not forget there was supposed to be a sequel. Which is also the answer to the people who keep wondering why Axl didn't put stuff like Hard Skool or Soul Monster there. You can't put all big guns on one record and then release a leftover crap (putting aside whether HS is a big gun or not). 

Excellent point, one I have to make myself too often in these parts.

As far as HS being a big gun. The funny thing is, to me, the 2000 Village mix (and likely whatever form it was in before NITL touched it) is a big gun. But the less than ideal arrangement (in my opinion, I found the new short intro tacky) and production of the 2021 mix took it down a notch or two. I think Robin's playing suited that song well. I do like how they extended the end of the song a bit in the official version. I wonder if post-2000 pre-NITL versions had that there.

[2020_Intensions]

4 hours ago, Sweersa said:

Excellent point, one I have to make myself too often in these parts.

As far as HS being a big gun. The funny thing is, to me, the 2000 Village mix (and likely whatever form it was in before NITL touched it) is a big gun. But the less than ideal arrangement (in my opinion, I found the new short intro tacky) and production of the 2021 mix took it down a notch or two. I think Robin's playing suited that song well. I do like how they extended the end of the song a bit in the official version. I wonder if post-2000 pre-NITL versions had that there.

I loved the intro to 2000 Hardschool .. The dueling guitar solo at the end and then how the song itself ends .. Everything about the NITL is weird .. Regardless, Hardschool is definitely not a big gun. It's a straight forward rocker.  

[Sweersa]

42 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

I loved the intro to 2000 Hardschool .. The dueling guitar solo at the end and then how the song itself ends .. Everything about the NITL is weird .. Regardless, Hardschool is definitely not a big gun. It's a straight forward rocker.  

I listened to 2000 Hardschool again last night, and there's just something magical about how that mix floated. Robin's guitars (and/or Paul's?), and Josh's drums too. Axl's vocals also sound mixed better. I would imaging a properly mixed version of the song from then, would be even more amazing. I also listened to some of the instrumentals, Oklahoma, Tonto, Zodiac 13, and a few others. Such great playing. If those songs ever come out, I hope NITL do it justice (assuming they will re-record the instrumental). State Of Grace is obviously a rough demo, but the last part, Axl's vocal delivery gives me TWAT-like and Monsters bridge goosebumps. 

[We love Axl Rose]

29 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

State Of Grace is obviously a rough demo, but the last part, Axl's vocal delivery gives me TWAT-like and Monsters bridge goosebumps. 

I totally agree! 

[axlvai]

Goddamn. Im fkn sure that we'll have unheard vocals from gold era. 

[Sweersa]

28 minutes ago, We love Axl Rose said:

I totally agree! 

I assume Axl has properly recorded vocals for that song, if they didn't abandon it, I hope the same intensity was captured in such a case, or perhaps those were final vocals, in part or whole. That song, as is, with a proper vocal take and mix, with a nice guitar solo, probably Bucket or Robin, would be amazing. It very well could exist! 

[tboneman]

14 hours ago, Sweersa said:

I listened to 2000 Hardschool again last night, and there's just something magical about how that mix floated. Robin's guitars (and/or Paul's?), and Josh's drums too. Axl's vocals also sound mixed better. I would imaging a properly mixed version of the song from then, would be even more amazing.

Not to me. I think the demo intro is wayyy too long, almost a full minute, for a song that simple and doesn't really fit to it imo. Like it's trying to be epic sounding but it's really not at the end. It's just long intro. The demo drums are maybe little bit better in the verses, I can see that, but that constant banging of crash symbals in the chorus is overkill. Like it's all of the sudden trying to be "rocking" instead of that "epic" style. 

Official release may be poorly mixed but it's at least constant with it's style. A fun, simple blues rock song with riff and chorus that stucks in your head.

But I never have really listened the demos, so I guess it's what you hear first or what you get used to listening. Then after that any change is going to sound "weird" heh. 

[Lelex95]

23 hours ago, jamillos said:

Ok, let's just hope it won't be the case. And if by fillers you mean the CD album, let's not forget there was supposed to be a sequel. Which is also the answer to the people who keep wondering why Axl didn't put stuff like Hard Skool or Soul Monster there. You can't put all big guns on one record and then release a leftover crap (putting aside whether HS is a big gun or not). 

I was actually referring to uyi, I love cd I don’t think it has as many filler songs actually. 
Juts like you I hope they come out with a new album, I’m just not being optimistic about it so I won’t be disappointed. 
I hope they have so many new tracks that a cover would just take up space, but actually I’m not confident that it is the case.

specially if we talk about newly written stuff. 


 

[SoulMonster]

On 7/16/2024 at 3:40 PM, SoulMonster said:

Here's a summary. For speed I have omitted citations, but naturally I have quotes for everything.

1994-1996, Axl, Dizzy, Paul, Matt, Duff and Slash
Duff would say they were working on "15 different things, some just riff, some bodies". Matt said the plan was to release an album with 10 or 12 songs. In September 1996, Duff would say they were "taking 40 songs and finding 12". Whether that was an exaggeration or if they were really working on music for 40 songs, is not known. The plan was still one album with 12 songs. It seems like they might have more or less finished 7 songs, but likely without vocals, before Slash left the band.

1996-April 1997, Axl, Dizzy, Paul, Matt and Duff
With Slash gone the band would continue working on the same material and a rumour would have it that Axl was specifically working on seven songs. When Matt left in April he would claim they had "400 hours of jams, riff and songs recorded on ADAT."

April 1997-August 1997, Axl, Dizzy, Duff, Paul Robin
A new lineup was starting to materialize and with Slash gone, the music changed. Before he left, Matt said they had recorded "4,800 hours of music" with "15 really strong songs". The music was described as a mix of Soundgarden and Nine Inch Nails. Chris Vrenna and Billy Howerdel were involved and likely influenced the music. Still, Vrenna described the album as pretty old-school rock, similar to Appetite. It seems like the band was now working on new songs and had abandoned songs from the Matt/Duff/Slash sessions. Moby would say songs were finished and sounded like rock songs with sampling technology.

1998-1999, Axl, Dizzy, Paul, Robin, Tommy, Josh, Chris Pitman
In January 1998 the band moves into Rumbo Recorders to start record songs, but they would spend studio time still working on song ideas. With Tommy joining in April 1998 it seems like things started picking up speed. No vocals were recorded in the period Jan-Aug 1998. It seems like they started recording, and adding vocals in the second half of 1998. Still, vocals were not finished, and songs were not mixed. Sean Beavan, who got involved with the project in Aug 1998, would talk about Axl recording vocals, likely in 1998 or 1999. Beavan left in 1999 and say he had done "35 songs". Robin left in Aug 1999. By then they had created "enough songs for several records". Robin would also say that "two fistfuls [of songs] are musically finished". When Josh left in March 2000, they had 16 songs on an A list and about 20 songs on a B list. This fits nicely with what Beavan said. In 1999, Axl would say they had worked on about 70 songs and that they had two album's worth of songs solidly recorded. In Nov 1999, Axl would say he was 3/4 finished with recording vocals.

2000-2001, Axl, Dizzy, Paul, Tommy, Bucket, Brain, Chris
In February 2000, Roy Thomas Baker got involved and wanted to re-record everything. Brain also joined in 2000 and Axl wanted his drums on the songs. A new period of recording took place. In October, Bob Ezrin got to hear the material and give his input, and he referred to the songs as being "painted over too many times." Ezrin also recommended they move out of Rumbo and into Village, which they did. Axl would tell Ezrin he had finished recording the album, Ezrin told him he only had 2.5 songs.

The Village leaks contained songs that seem to have been mostly recorded at Village studio in late 2000/early 2001 and contained 36 songs on five "rough mixes" discs. These 36 songs likely mostly represent the songs that were A and B listed in in 1999, plus a few new songs from Bucket. In addition, the discs contained some additional songs that had probably more recently been brought into the band. The discs likely contained the songs the band was most interested in releasing. It is not known if the leaks represent all the band worked on at the time or if any of the songs stemmed from back then Duff and Slash was still in the band. But the number (36) is too close to what had already been talked about to not think these songs represented the A and B lists from 1999 plus additional, newer songs.

2002, Axl, Dizzy, Robin, Bucket, Brain, Richard, Chris
Zutaut, who was involved in the project from June 2001 to January 2002, would say they had 50-60 songs on four or five discs of 12-14 songs each, and that he convinced Axl to choose which songs to focus on. This does not align with the Village leaks which had about half of this. In early 2002, a label representative said he went to the studio and heard 41 songs that had been chosen from the 60-70 they had first written. 41 could be aligned with the Village leaks when you add in the more unfinished songs. In March 2002, Robin would state that the first album was finished. In August 2002, Axl stated that new songs had replaced some of the old songs intended for the album. Around the same time, Axl would also say they would get 18 songs plus 10 additional songs, and then the second album would be released and by then he expected him to have finished the third album. This suggests they were more or less finished with two albums at this time. Richard joined in 2002 and from August he would start recording his part to the songs. In November/December, Tommy and Dizzy would say only a few smaller pieces were missing on the first album and that it had to be mixed.

2003-April 2006, Axl, Dizzy, Robin, Brain, Richard, Chris
Axl would talk about how he was now-co-producing the album and Tommy would mention they intended to finalize the album in September. Bucket left in 2003. In early 2004 Geffen shut down operations. The band left Village Recorder.  Throughout 2004, band members would say it was very close to be finished and that legal stuff prevented it from being released. In early 2005, Brain would describe it as being 95% finished.  By June 2005, Richard would say that Axl was still recording vocals. Dizzy would say they three albums of material. In February 2006, Axl was "almost finished" according to Merck. Axl would say they were working on 32 songs and that 26 are nearly done. In hindsight we know that excluding the 13 songs that would end up on Chinese Democracy, the Village leaks of songs from 2000-2001 contained 27 additional songs in various stages of completion. Many of these had obviously been discarded.

May 2006-2008, Axl, Dizzy, Robin, Frank, Richard, Chris, Bumblefoot
With Bumblefoot and Frank joining the release would again be delayed as they recorded their contributions to the album. Marc Canter and Sebastian Bach got to hear the finished album, "with vocals and everything". Bach would also say Axl got "like 30-some songs", which fits with what Axl had said. In May, Axl would say they had recorded 2.5 album worth of songs, likely corresponding to the 26 songs he had talked about in February. He specified that two record were almost completely done (majority of music and vocals), with the third being about halfway done. In late 2006, Axl would say the album would not come out this year. In early 2007, Axl recorded the final vocals. Then mixing started. In November 2007, Bach would claim Axl had four albums worth of material. In early 2008, pre-release negotiations started. The album is released in November. Axl would then say he had worked on two album and that the unreleased songs were finished "depending on how you looked at it".

2009-Today
Dizzy and Tommy would confirm they had recorded three albums of material but that some lacked vocals. In 2011, Tommy would say there are 22 unreleased tracks. This fits pretty well with the 32 songs that Axl had mentioned. What is not clear is how many of these contain vocals and are ready to go, but based on Axl statement that 26 were nearly done in Feb 2006, it is likely that the second album was more or less complete with vocals. It us not known if Axl has continued working on the rest of the 32 songs, and possibly finished up more of them. Slash and Duff added their contributions to some songs after 2016, possibly songs intended for the follow-up. In 2017, Tommy mentioned that in addition to the songs they had worked on for CD and the follow-up, there was material that had been written when Slash and Duff was in the band, possibly from the work in 1994-1996.

I summarized the above info in an image:

When going through this it seems to me that the music they worked on in 1994-1996 was put on ice after Slash/Matt/Duff left. Still, they had at least 7 songs recorded after these sessions, without vocals. 

With Robin, Josh, Tommy coming in, they sort of started from scratch, coming up with new ideas. It seems this resulted in more than 60 songs by 2002 out of which about 35 were picked to be finalized and released. This number shifted a bit and some new songs were added to the list in as the band members continued to bring in new songs, and replaced others (like Better and Scraped). Anyway, the number of songs intended to be released seemed to be fairly stable around 30-35. In 2006, Axl said they were working on 32 songs.

Taking 14 (those on CD) out of the 32 they worked on in 2006, it leaves about 18 songs. In 2011, Tommy would state there is 22 unreleased songs, plus the material from 1994-1996. It could be Tommy is referring to the number of songs from before 2006, or that they increased the number again after 2006. In either case, a total of 18-22 unreleased songs likely exist in a finished or close to finished form, with at least enough finished to go on a follow-up album.

What songs are these? 

Well, four have already been released: Hard Skool, The General, Absurd and Perhaps. 

That leaves 14-18 more unreleased songs. I believe the following 7 songs are very likely to have been completed: Monsters, Atlas Shrugged, P.R.L./Thyme, State of Grace, Quicksong, Zodiac 13, and Berlin (=Oklahoma), either because they have already leaked so we know they are finished, contained vocals early on, or had some special status. 

That leaves 7-11 additional unreleased songs. There are still 14 unreleased songs on the "Rough Mixes" discs from the Village leaks, and the remaining songs could be any of these: Eye On You, Mustache, Tonto, Real doll.com, Billionaire, Dub Suplex, Devious Bastard, Dummy, Me & My Elvis, Circus Maximus, D Tune, Curly Shuffle, Nothing and As It Began. In addition comes Ides of March, but that could be an early name on any of the other songs. The remaining 7-11 songs could be any of these, or songs that came in after the Village recordings which we know nothing about. It can't be all of them, because that would bring the number of finished songs above 18-22, so some songs were abandoned at some point, and others were likely replaced with other songs.

And then we have the 7+ songs from 1994-1996.

I believe Axl intends to get them all out, all the 14-18+7. Possible as one more album and then singles and on soundtracks. I don't think he intends to abandon songs that he worked on so long. 

[colonizedmind]

On 7/17/2024 at 12:29 PM, 2020_Intensions said:

I'd rather get Wichita than a brand new song 

Basically got that 👍

 

 

[2020_Intensions]

2 hours ago, colonizedmind said:

Basically got that 👍

 

 

Yeah I saw this back when it came out. So f'n cool ... 

[Dummy]

If i'm allowed to make a prediction

I'd say the following songs have vocals

 

Obviously atlas, monsters, state of grace, eye on you, nothing

Soul monster (if it isnt monsters) se7en, zodiac, cuban skies, ides of march, tonto, oklahoma, light my fire, down by the ocean.

Considering that leaked 2008 list and axls comments

 

And i think there are also songs we don't know about. Just like how nothing of the general had leaked before its release and how we all thought it was monsters.

And i think songs like curly shuffle were also finished because they're too good to be dropped.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 24 by Dummy

[Jw224]

I don't really have an opinion on what is left and what isn't anymore. I will take it if it comes. I do recall reading people debating whether he had even recorded monsters a little bit before it leaked though lol

[Voodoochild]

On 7/19/2024 at 5:04 PM, SoulMonster said:

I summarized the above info in an image:

When going through this it seems to me that the music they worked on in 1994-1996 was put on ice after Slash/Matt/Duff left. Still, they had at least 7 songs recorded after these sessions, without vocals. 

With Robin, Josh, Tommy coming in, they sort of started from scratch, coming up with new ideas. It seems this resulted in more than 60 songs by 2002 out of which about 35 were picked to be finalized and released. This number shifted a bit and some new songs were added to the list in as the band members continued to bring in new songs, and replaced others (like Better and Scraped). Anyway, the number of songs intended to be released seemed to be fairly stable around 30-35. In 2006, Axl said they were working on 32 songs.

Taking 14 (those on CD) out of the 32 they worked on in 2006, it leaves about 18 songs. In 2011, Tommy would state there is 22 unreleased songs, plus the material from 1994-1996. It could be Tommy is referring to the number of songs from before 2006, or that they increased the number again after 2006. In either case, a total of 18-22 unreleased songs likely exist in a finished or close to finished form, with at least enough finished to go on a follow-up album.

What songs are these? 

Well, four have already been released: Hard Skool, The General, Absurd and Perhaps. 

That leaves 14-18 more unreleased songs. I believe the following 7 songs are very likely to have been completed: Monsters, Atlas Shrugged, P.R.L./Thyme, State of Grace, Quicksong, Zodiac 13, and Berlin (=Oklahoma), either because they have already leaked so we know they are finished, contained vocals early on, or had some special status. 

That leaves 7-11 additional unreleased songs. There are still 14 unreleased songs on the "Rough Mixes" discs from the Village leaks, and the remaining songs could be any of these: Eye On You, Mustache, Tonto, Real doll.com, Billionaire, Dub Suplex, Devious Bastard, Dummy, Me & My Elvis, Circus Maximus, D Tune, Curly Shuffle, Nothing and As It Began. In addition comes Ides of March, but that could be an early name on any of the other songs. The remaining 7-11 songs could be any of these, or songs that came in after the Village recordings which we know nothing about. It can't be all of them, because that would bring the number of finished songs above 18-22, so some songs were abandoned at some point, and others were likely replaced with other songs.

And then we have the 7+ songs from 1994-1996.

I believe Axl intends to get them all out, all the 14-18+7. Possible as one more album and then singles and on soundtracks. I don't think he intends to abandon songs that he worked on so long. 

Incredible work. 
 

I would only make a comment about how Hard Skool was hinted as being one of the old songs from pre-CD era, so maybe some of those Village tracks could actually be from another time too. Or maybe it was one of the songs Tommy mentioned.