The "New Album" Thread. Thanks to the long ass thread, I’m going home!

[Blackstar]

4 hours ago, Rindmelon said:

One of the Rockline interviews right? Also the first place Axl mentioned there was intent to work with Brian May.

1 minute ago, 2020_Intensions said:

Not sure honestly. It's been a long time since I heard that interview.

Yes it was the Rockline interview:

https://www.a-4-d.com/t618-1994-01-03-rockline-interview-with-axl-and-slash

 

[ChrisW]

The notion that Axl dismissed Slash's demos always seemed ridiculous.  There's a quote from Beta that Axl was trying to make something for the new generation, which is idiotic.  That generation is now pushing 40 and hasn't paid any attention to CD or pussy full of maggots, and that's all Axl has to offer.

But it was the "southern rock" bullshit that shows that Axl isn't interested in making music.  Slash produced music for Guns'n'Roses to start working on and he refused to do anything.  At the same time, he was restarting Uzi Suicide and promoting new bands.  And what was the main point of the promotion?

With distribution lined up via Geffen, Axl organized a showcase gig for Geffen executives on October featuring four of the bands he was interested in: Soul, Davy's Farm, Salt Of The Earth and The Assassins [RAW Magazine, November 1994].

The Assassins featured Axl's brother Stuart Bailey on guitar. Bailey was previously best-known as a vocalist with Dr. Whiskey. The Assassins' music, which Bailey has a hand in writing, is in the currently hot Southern Rock vein being pursued by the likes of Pride & Glory and Blind Melon [RAW Magazine, November 1994].

Record company takes money, employees take money, several new bands take money, promotion takes money, administrating all these people takes money.  It all takes time too, time Axl could be spending on writing lyrics for the music Slash is turning in for the band that made them both rich and famous.  Instead he's trying to make this happen, and where have all these people been since 1994?

This isn't trying to make music, this is about being in charge of people, actively promoting the same "southern rock" he claims to want nothing to do with, despite his own employees band trying to work on it right then and there.  That is not creative behavior, that is cult behavior, and that's how Axl has lived most of his life, with millions of people falling for it.

[Ratam]

Just two pages to 400.

[Spoon87]

3 hours ago, Ratam said:

Just two pages to 400.

How many Tuesdays left in 2024?

[Voodoochild]

I think we now know that a Slash-driven GNR album from the mid-90s would be really good. But if you put things in context, back then GNR was out of fashion. Any GNR album back then would be well received by the fans, but it wouldn't get as big as the previous ones. I think this is what motivated Axl to rethink the musical direction. It was a mistake, but back then maybe that wasn't that clear.

[ChrisW]

No, it was was about being in charge.  Rethinking the musical direction would have required making actual music, so that thirty years later, people could say that ninth album made no sense or that thirteenth album was where they finally got their groove back.

An attempt to maintain the same success would require them Axl to actually do something and only the most delusional people would expect anything to be remotely as successful as Appetite.  Lies wasn't.  UYI wasn't.  Spaghetti Incident wasn't.  Chinese Democracy sure as hell wasn't.  It was released by a middle-aged man deluded enough to think he could do better than his early 20s and had spent decades surrounded by people who encouraged that.

[Voodoochild]

33 minutes ago, ChrisW said:

No, it was was about being in charge.  Rethinking the musical direction would have required making actual music, so that thirty years later, people could say that ninth album made no sense or that thirteenth album was where they finally got their groove back.

An attempt to maintain the same success would require them Axl to actually do something and only the most delusional people would expect anything to be remotely as successful as Appetite.  Lies wasn't.  UYI wasn't.  Spaghetti Incident wasn't.  Chinese Democracy sure as hell wasn't.  It was released by a middle-aged man deluded enough to think he could do better than his early 20s and had spent decades surrounded by people who encouraged that.

He made music. You may not like it, but he did, even if it wasn't released in that era. He had things in the late 90s with the CD guys, so one would expect that he could have make songs before that if the old lineup were still in place. 

And I'm not sure how old are you, but late 30s and early 40s are not middle-age, are? If so, I'm fucked. 

[evilfacelessturtle]

On 6/28/2024 at 12:23 AM, SoulMonster said:

It's word against word, I suppose. Here's Slash talking about how the songs were rejected because Axl didn't like them or thought they weren't the right style for the next album: (18) 18. NOVEMBER 1993-NOVEMBER 1994: AXL AND SLASH DISAGREES; GILBY IS DISMISSED (a-4-d.com)

And here's Axl and others saying that wasn't really the case but rather that Slash didn't want Axl to make any changes but just "shut up and sing": (18) 18. NOVEMBER 1993-NOVEMBER 1994: AXL AND SLASH DISAGREES; GILBY IS DISMISSED (a-4-d.com) 

Sorum's quote doesn't make sense. The Snakepit material was written in Slash's studio with Duff and Sorum all jamming together.

Goldstein is full of shit and Beta/Fernando go without saying. The idea that Slash wrote lyrics for Axl is laughable. Never mind Duff and Matt being afraid the songs were "too '80s".

I can believe that Slash didn't want to change the songs instrumentally, but how would he have even created vocal melodies for Axl? He's not a singer.

[Ratam]

4 hours ago, Spoon87 said:

How many Tuesdays left in 2024?

Exactly 27 😄

[2020_Intensions]

3 hours ago, Voodoochild said:

He made music. You may not like it, but he did, even if it wasn't released in that era. He had things in the late 90s with the CD guys, so one would expect that he could have make songs before that if the old lineup were still in place. 

And I'm not sure how old are you, but late 30s and early 40s are not middle-age, are? If so, I'm fucked. 

73 is the global life expectancy, so yeah, late 30s actually is middle aged

[Blackstar]

2 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

Sorum's quote doesn't make sense. The Snakepit material was written in Slash's studio with Duff and Sorum all jamming together.

Goldstein is full of shit and Beta/Fernando go without saying. The idea that Slash wrote lyrics for Axl is laughable. Never mind Duff and Matt being afraid the songs were "too '80s".

I can believe that Slash didn't want to change the songs instrumentally, but how would he have even created vocal melodies for Axl? He's not a singer.

Duff didn't jam with them. Matt did, of course, but then he didn't like Eric Dover.

Slash has said himself that he wrote lyrics and melodies for at least some of the songs, e.g.:

So the songs are my representation of what Guns would sound like if I was at the helm. And it's probably good that I did it outside of Guns because I explored a lot of avenues I didn't normally get to. I had to write lyrics, and I had to get the melodies, and I had to get the songs into a cohesive state where they were worth showing to anybody. It's a real down to the bare bones kind of record, and I like that.

https://www.a-4-d.com/t2916-1995-02-dd-guitar-trigger-with-attitude-slash

I don’t have the personality for [singing]. I did try it. I mean, some of the songs that I did write lyrics for in the album, I did sing at first, but only just to write them. But to go out in front of a microphone... For one, I can’t stand still that long; and for two, I mean, I can’t even look at the audience when I’m playing my guitar, let alone me standing up there singing, you know? (laughs).

https://www.a-4-d.com/t3457-1995-08-dd-planet-rock-profiles-irish-tv-interview-with-slash

[ChrisW]

Axl was 46 when CD came out.  Definitely middle age.

Matt and Duff's comments make more sense if you see Axl's cult mentality, everyone around is only allowed to say what he wants to hear.  Either that or they're just employees who need to keep the boss happy.

[DeNfr]

Slash wanted to take over, tried to force a full complete LP in Axl's throat,
Axl said fuck off, Slash had his little revenge writing shit about Axl in almost
all of the lyrics of the album, had average sells so he returned to the band
then was pushed to the exit because he wasn't interested to do other's songs
and didn't want to work with Axl's real friend. 
end of story.
 

 

[ChrisW]

Yet Slash wanted to call it "Snakepit," not "Slash's Snakepit."  He didn't try to take over any other bands, why this one?

And how did he get a fully complete album if he hadn't written the lyrics yet to get revenge?  Then after the album, he said he'd do a G'n'R album and then a Snakepit album, going back and forth between the two.  Then there's the fact that there were no actual songs to work on, so there was no point to being there.  Call him when Axl shows up, and they never called.

And which "real friend" was this?  Someone who had been in the band all these years or the one Axl decides is now in the band and the others just have to obey?  Your employees have to put up with your latest hire, fellow bandmembers will actually expect a say in the matter.

[Blackstar]

38 minutes ago, ChrisW said:

Yet Slash wanted to call it "Snakepit," not "Slash's Snakepit."  He didn't try to take over any other bands, why this one?

Well, at first Slash intended to call it "SVO [= "Slash's Very Own"] Snakepit". Then he decided to call it just "Snakepit". It eventually was called "Slash's Snakepit". Slash said the addition of "Slash's" was a label decision, Matt however disagrees with that saying it was just an excuse.

https://www.a-4-d.com/t5018-19-december-1994-october-1996-axl-and-slash-fights-slash-quits#20194

Edited Sunday at 04:03 PM by Blackstar

[DeNfr]

ok, there's a lot of things but I have some time :

1) Slash could have called his band Big Pigeon Poop, he was already worldwide known, everyone would have talked about “Slash’s band”.
plus, Blackstar refreshed our memory on the details (thx, we're old)

2) "He didn't try to take over any other bands, why this one?"
I tried to understand what's your point but I failed. I don't see the logic (if there's any).

3) complete *without lyrics*, if it helps you to understand the situation.

4) of course Slash thought he could have both bands, but GNR needed to be the priority, and he didn't care much due to the situation in the end. 
"Call him when Axl shows up, and they never called."I don't understand your sentence. 

5) And which "real friend" was this? >> the one he grew up with in Indiana with Izzy. 

[2020_Intensions]

Paul Huge aside, let's not pretend like Gilby wasn't the sensible and logical permanent replacement for Izzy. His strange exit from the band was all Axl. And the alleged reason or reasons were not warranted. 

[2020_Intensions]

The Illusions lineup was all around great. As I already stated, Slash & Gilbey's ideas with whatever Axl also wanted to do, would have made for a great GnR album in '95/'96. They could have done an awesome round of small & intimate shows playing Spaghetti material. Big US & World Tour to promote the new album, and then after that either Axl could work on his solo (ChiDem) stuff, or they could have found a way to work on it all together as GnR. So many better things could have happened if Axl & Slash found a way to work it out. Ego, mental issues, and drugs were too much involved though.

[DeNfr]

you can't work things out when you both want the same girl

[Free Bird]

3 hours ago, DeNfr said:

Slash wanted to take over, tried to force a full complete LP in Axl's throat,
Axl said fuck off, Slash had his little revenge writing shit about Axl in almost
all of the lyrics of the album, had average sells so he returned to the band
then was pushed to the exit because he wasn't interested to do other's songs
and didn't want to work with Axl's real friend. 
end of story.
 

 

There’s a lot of interpretation on your part.  A progress of events that doesn’t make any sense.

[DeNfr]

Just now, Free Bird said:

There’s a lot of interpretation on your part.  A progress of events that doesn’t make any sense.

hmm nope, facts as usual. dive in and find the monkey 

[Free Bird]

2 minutes ago, DeNfr said:

hmm nope, facts as usual. dive in and find the monkey 

Making up facts aren’t really facts but you’re free to believe what you’re writing 

[Free Bird]

5 minutes ago, DeNfr said:

you can't work things out when you both want the same girl

A band is not a girl and not something that’s led by a single person. A band like GNR at least.

[DeNfr]

3 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

Making up facts aren’t really facts but you’re free to believe what you’re writing 

we're still waiting your arguments, as usual*

_{*I think we'll have a new GNR album before}

[Free Bird]

17 minutes ago, DeNfr said:

we're still waiting your arguments, as usual*

_{*I think we'll have a new GNR album before}

I’m not pretending to know what happened and how it went down. I’m just pointing out that a lot of things that have been said don’t make any sense imo. 
 

By the way, it’s not my fault if you don’t get my argumentation. The only person who can help you on this regard is yourself

Edited Sunday at 05:18 PM by Free Bird