The "New Album" Thread. Thanks to the long ass thread, I’m going home!

[jamillos]

5 minutes ago, DeNfr said:

no, but when a brain surgeon operate, I don't claim it's shit and I could do better either

and how do you know which part of the production process is made by whom?

Illogical simile; this is why I used the words "own senses" in my post - since you don’t need to be an expert to be able to assess the result. Same with the food comparison. Not the same with a brain surgeon operating. 
It sucks, just deal with it. 

[DeNfr]

26 minutes ago, jamillos said:

It sucks, just deal with it. 

no at all, I think they are great singles and they just sounds good to my ears. I don't deal with others bad taste.

[DeNfr]

29 minutes ago, jamillos said:

Illogical simile; this is why I used the words "own senses" in my post - since you don’t need to be an expert to be able to assess the result. 

that's a technical result we're talking here, so yes, you need to *at least* have a technical understanding of what production and sound engineering means.

[Lethalis]

1 hour ago, gavgnr said:

BTW, this is turning into a new long ass thread 

400+ pages about nothing 

[Sweersa]

1 hour ago, DeNfr said:

and how do you know which part of the production process is made by whom?

I think it's an educated guess. One example, the production of Perhaps compared to Hard Skool and The General. The band needs to, at the very least, have professionals handle the mixing and mastering. 

[Sweersa]

10 minutes ago, Lethalis said:

400+ pages about nothing 

Are we talking about the song?  

[Voodoochild]

2 hours ago, DeNfr said:

so basically some of you tell us Caram Costanzo, Eric Caudieux, Sean Beavan, Joe Barresi, Bob Ludwig
and Axl Rose don't know what they're doing. are you all producers and sound engineers? just asking.

I'm a frustrated amateur bedroom musician that write, record and mix my own stuff. I surely have made mistakes in production (I just posted a Monsters cover with clipping noises during the solo and that wasn't intentional at all haahahaha). 

But I think I do have good ears. Also, as a music fan, I expect some professional-level, way above me, from those fellows you mentioned. 

[Rindmelon]

2 hours ago, DeNfr said:

so basically some of you tell us Caram Costanzo, Eric Caudieux, Sean Beavan, Joe Barresi, Bob Ludwig
and Axl Rose don't know what they're doing. are you all producers and sound engineers? just asking.

 

I have worked in sound production before yes, Obviously not at the level those guys have.

At the village and also at Rumbo they would have used a Neve 88RS and all of those guys know what they are doing on a console like that, it's not like Caram or engineers like Critter and Koszela don't know what they are doing, they were more than competent. People can have an opinion on mix's but at the end of the day it's Axl who signed off on those mix's & that's where the buck stops.

[Rindmelon]

btw in case nobody has seen a version of the 88RS before this part of the console might remind you of something lol.. Anybody?

I forget what happened to the desk they used at Rumbo after it shut down but I believe the one from The Village was sold to a studio in the north of France. 

[Free Bird]

I don’t think Perhaps suffers from mixing and mastering, unlike the other singles.

[Jw224]

3 hours ago, DeNfr said:

so basically some of you tell us Caram Costanzo, Eric Caudieux, Sean Beavan, Joe Barresi, Bob Ludwig
and Axl Rose don't know what they're doing. are you all producers and sound engineers? just asking.

 

illogical and bad argument when addressing criticism.

[DeNfr]

4 minutes ago, Jw224 said:

illogical and bad argument when addressing criticism.

is that a fact or an opinion? sorry to ask but I'm a bit confused when someone pull out
something out of his ass like he's some sort of an unquestionable figure of authority

[DeNfr]

50 minutes ago, Rindmelon said:

at the end of the day it's Axl who signed off on those mix's & that's where the buck stops.

you mean, the other guys did a great job but then Axl fucked up the work years after? 

[jamillos]

1 hour ago, DeNfr said:

that's a technical result we're talking here, so yes, you need to *at least* have a technical understanding of what production and sound engineering means.

No, the result is the (crappy) sound, which anyone here can hear and evaluate for themselves. And many didn't like it. And that is a legitimate conclusion for which you don't have to be a sound engineer, expert etc. That's a fact, whether you like it or not. So, again, your argument is invalid. I can't write it any simpler, so I'll just bid your farewell here. 

[DeNfr]

1 minute ago, jamillos said:

I'll just bid your farewell here. 

yeah go ahead with that It's been your strongest argument from the start.

 

[Rindmelon]

6 minutes ago, DeNfr said:

you mean, the other guys did a great job but then Axl fucked up the work years after? 

I mean they will have worked towards what Axl wanted, and he signed off on it when he was content with the result.

[Zeppelin]

I think the songs sound atrocious. But if people like them and their sound, that's fine. Everyone has their preferences. I definitely don't listen to the finished songs, though. The leaks are still my go-to.

[DTV88]

On 7/1/2024 at 6:36 AM, Voodoochild said:

Gilby's solo album and Izzy's solo album are all ok to me. Not representative of what they would bring to the table in GNR, though. Dime Store Rock and Monkey Chow are ok too, elevated no doubt by Slash, Matt and Mike Inez. For GNR in the 90s, those would be b-side material IMO. 

Gilby simplified Izzy's rhythm guitar a lot. The worst offender was Rocket Queen. He just played power chords. 

JuJu Hounds and Ride On are really good albums all the way through, and many of Izzy’s other albums have great songs as well. Of course, It’s all a matter of taste. Izzy never sold many copies after his first solo album but I love most of his music more than anything on CD or even the NITL singles. 

[jamillos]

1 hour ago, DeNfr said:

yeah go ahead with that It's been your strongest argument from the start.

 

Nope, I used logic and valid arguments. You don't seem to be capable of that - and ignore my arguments, like in this post - or maybe you're just trolling. In any case, no point in continuing for me. 

Edited Tuesday at 04:43 PM by jamillos

[Sweersa]

2 hours ago, jamillos said:

No, the result is the (crappy) sound, which anyone here can hear and evaluate for themselves. And many didn't like it. And that is a legitimate conclusion for which you don't have to be a sound engineer, expert etc. That's a fact, whether you like it or not. So, again, your argument is invalid. I can't write it any simpler, so I'll just bid your farewell here. 

Much like most of us are probably not involved in the film industry at any professional level, but most of us can also tell a good movie from really bad. 

[jamillos]

1 minute ago, Sweersa said:

Much like most of us are probably not involved in the film industry at any professional level, but most of us can also tell a good movie from really bad. 

Exactly, or the bad food like I've mentioned. Oh well, some people can't be helped. 

[Rindmelon]

15 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

Much like most of us are probably not involved in the film industry at any professional level, but most of us can also tell a good movie from really bad. 

That's a good analogy for it. I'm not a chef but I knows good eating

[Voodoochild]

1 hour ago, DTV88 said:

JuJu Hounds and Ride On are really good albums all the way through, and many of Izzy’s other albums have great songs as well. Of course, It’s all a matter of taste. Izzy never sold many copies after his first solo album but I love most of his music more than anything on CD or even the NITL singles. 

I actually think the Snakepits albums are more to my taste. Especially Ain't Life Grand, probably because of how good Slash and Rod sounded.

[2020_Intensions]

5 hours ago, gavgnr said:

BTW, this is turning into a new long ass thread 

And STILL no album ... Not only that, but the most recent updates we've gotten indicate that this so-called "album" is still stuck in the "something we'd like to do" phase ... Or, in other words, THERE IS NO NEW ALBUM

[DeNfr]

1 hour ago, Sweersa said:

Much like most of us are probably not involved in the film industry at any professional level, but most of us can also tell a good movie from really bad. 

I've seen bad movies with a great photography, I've listened to great songs with bad production.
and awful songs with very good sound production.

if you can't make the distinction, well