Lelex95 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 36 minutes ago, EvanG said: I thought a straw man is an an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. Whatever it means, I think you know what I mean when I say that I think it's a factually incorrect argument. Because I think it's safe to say that there's a lot more repetitive complaining about the same thing than complaining about the complaining going on here. I can understand both are annoying. For me this is maybe the 3rd time I let myself fall into this discussion again in the last few years because I barely post here nowadays, mainly because of the repetitive complaining. But this time I sincerely expressed myself about how I don't understand the point of repetition, maybe trying to understand where it comes from for once, but I still don't. It’s not a strawman because he isn’t misrepresenting your position, he’s making a positive claim that might be false “there is as many people complaining about the complaint as people complaining about gnr” is not a misrepresentation of your argument, it’s an argument on its own wouldn’t you agree? as I said anytime I see complaint usually people complain about it, so I kind of agree with him on ven tho I suppose it’s more people complaining about the music than the people complaining about the complaint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelex95 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 2 minutes ago, EvanG said: If they release Monsters and Atlas Shrugged in 2024, I'm happy. Not likely, though. It depends on where i look at it from, from one point of view they are not in their prime and I’m ok with band at that stage not putting out much stuff, on the other hand they could have put out an album for years now. The most annoying things about the output is that we know for sure that there is ready to go material, if we didn’t know about it I feel like we would be less annoyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axljungle Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 27 minutes ago, EvanG said: If they release Monsters and Atlas Shrugged in 2024, I'm happy. Not likely, though. Plus State Of Grace, could be great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Lelex95 said: It’s not a strawman because he isn’t misrepresenting your position, he’s making a positive claim that might be false “there is as many people complaining about the complaint as people complaining about gnr” is not a misrepresentation of your argument, it’s an argument on its own wouldn’t you agree? as I said anytime I see complaint usually people complain about it, so I kind of agree with him on ven tho I suppose it’s more people complaining about the music than the people complaining about the complaint. dude, I don't care. I'm not gonna debate technicalities with you. He says something that is factually incorrect, that is what I reacted to, whether or not the term ''straw man'' is valid in that context is not relevant to me because my point remains. There's far more complaining about the band than people complaining about complaining, so it's a bad argument. 22 minutes ago, axljungle said: Plus State Of Grace, could be great Definitely. I really like that one as well. Edited August 14 by EvanG 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelex95 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 1 hour ago, EvanG said: dude, I don't care. I'm not gonna debate technicalities with you. He says something that is factually incorrect, that is what I reacted to, whether or not the term ''straw man'' is valid in that context is not relevant to me because my point remains. There's far more complaining about the band than people complaining about complaining, so it's a bad argument. Definitely. I really like that one as well. You are not gonna argue about technicalities but you answered to that comment and ignored the one about the actual band output? I agree, too much time already spent arguing over arguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 8 minutes ago, Lelex95 said: You are not gonna argue about technicalities but you answered to that comment and ignored the one about the actual band output? I agree, too much time already spent arguing over arguing. what one about the actual band output? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom2112 Posted August 14 Popular Post Share Posted August 14 2 hours ago, axljungle said: Plus State Of Grace, could be great A finished fleshed out State of grace would be an incredible gift. Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was the most cohesive song in the batch and that's in an unfinished state. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Free Bird Posted August 14 Popular Post Share Posted August 14 I can’t follow anymore. So, complaining about complaining is ok, while just complaining is annoying? Or is complaining about complaining as bad as complaining itself? What about complaining about people who are complaining about others complaining? And what the fuck happens more often on here? I think this is a very important question. We should clear some things up. 1 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sweersa Posted August 14 Popular Post Share Posted August 14 On 8/8/2024 at 6:06 AM, Uncle Bob said: Confirmed: Axl got leg lengthening surgery. Do they make smaller versions of that for different body parts? Asking for a friend of a friend's cousin's roommate's boyfriend. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 1 hour ago, Free Bird said: I can’t follow anymore. So, complaining about complaining is ok, while just complaining is annoying? Or is complaining about complaining as bad as complaining itself? What about complaining about people who are complaining about others complaining? And what the fuck happens more often on here? I think this is a very important question. We should clear some things up. I wanted to throw that in earlier, because the poster who reacted is always complaining about people who complain about people who are constantly complaining. And I scrolled back, in this thread alone, the ratio from last year is 7:8:652. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollster42 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 4 hours ago, EvanG said: If they release Monsters and Atlas Shrugged in 2024, I'm happy. Not likely, though. I second this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunsnchalupas Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 2 hours ago, Free Bird said: I can’t follow anymore. So, complaining about complaining is ok, while just complaining is annoying? Or is complaining about complaining as bad as complaining itself? What about complaining about people who are complaining about others complaining? And what the fuck happens more often on here? I think this is a very important question. We should clear some things up. are you complaining about complaining about complaining? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppelin Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Can't wait for the new album! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020_Intensions Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Bring back Pele 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon87 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 43 minutes ago, Zeppelin said: Can't wait for the new album! A release date must be imminent now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 If we ever get a new album, I hope the production isn't brickwalled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 2 hours ago, janrichmond said: are you complaining about complaining about complaining? I guess I am but still trying to figure out how this game works 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy squire Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 5 hours ago, Tom2112 said: Un State of grace completo y terminado sería un regalo increíble. Tal vez sea solo yo, pero pensé que era la canción más cohesiva del lote y que está en un estado inacabado. Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom2112 Posted August 14 Popular Post Share Posted August 14 2 hours ago, 2020_Intensions said: Bring back Pele I think he exploded when Monsters leaked 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppelin Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 12 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: I think he exploded when Monsters leaked RIP Pele. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
©GnrPersia Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 2 hours ago, Spoon87 said: A release date must be imminent now. We now believe even more 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4NNY Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 2 minutes ago, ©GnrPersia said: We now believe even more Thanks Beta for take care 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavgnr Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 39 minutes ago, D4NNY said: Thanks Beta for take care He better than the old one! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonizedmind Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Haha oh jesus! Is this what's come to.... The good old bot voiced Rockumentary Channel is suggesting we save Axl's voice by machine learning of his classic 80s era howl....and then using it in real time live over his vocals.... Yea who's paying to go see that? 🫣 Also suggesting we get "new" GNR music made by A I..... Welcome to 2024 baby.... May as well wait for that Abbatar version of GNR If this is what we're suggesting, maybe it is time to retire.... It's kinda a shame Jon Bon Jovi and Axl are frienemies...he could of given Axl his doctors # 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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