alfierose Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Lethalis said: We all know Axl's history with women is shady at best, and probably worse in reality. It sucks. I won't delete their music though... I also listen to Marilyn Manson although I think he's a nasty pervert. I still have some Lost Prophets music somewhere I haven't chucked out. I'll join you in the queue for Hell. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJo Bonetto Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Lethalis said: We all know Axl's history with women is shady at best, and probably worse in reality. It sucks. I won't delete their music though... I also listen to Marilyn Manson although I think he's a nasty pervert. I have played Marilyn Manson since, although less frequently, because I feel so bloody guilty now everytime I play it. It is a shame because he had some right bangers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleTalkinComa Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, GnR Chris said: It wouldn’t change people’s perceptions if Axl came out and said he was a hothead in the ‘80s. There is nothing to gain from that. Conversely, it could be construed as an admission of guilt in this or any other lawsuit that comes out of the woodwork. How do we know Axl hasn’t privately apologized to anyone he’s wronged in the past? We’ll never know. He doesn’t need to be accountable to the public for things he may or may not have done to specific individuals. Admitting where you f'ed up shows that you have integrity and the ability to change and grow as a person. It may not reverse his reputation as a young man, but pretending like it all never happened doesn't help the man he is today. A LOT of people would commend him and change their views of him for stepping up. Plus it's just the right thing to do. I think when it comes to public apologies by public figures, celebrities have a huge platform, power, and thus have the ability to influence other people, all the time. Just look at Colleen Ballinger or R-Kelly. What celebrities do with their status and influence is very important. Obviously Axl hasn't started some child labor- or sex-cult using his influence. But I still think there is something to be said about the importance of him recognizing that his actions have impacted other people's lives. Including how he (or any celebrity) responds to their own allegations also sets an example to others. And as much as I'm sure he wants to lead a more private life, many of these stories of him abusing others is either already public or will only continue and continue to spread. If he wants to not leave behind a legacy of being an asshole with no remorse, he needs to publicly apologize for his past self. Edited November 23, 2023 by DoubleTalkinComa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AxlRoseCDII Posted November 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2023 I said this in the other thread, but I find it super interesting how Duff claims to be a big supporter of the MeToo movement but when someone in his camp is accused, radio silence. Granted I would like to see this band and lineup stay together for a while so I’m not rooting for some big fallout or anything. All I’m saying is that it’s very interesting. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, alfierose said: I still have some Lost Prophets music somewhere I haven't chucked out. I'll join you in the queue for Hell. Interviewed him once. Shook his hand. Bleak. This was years and years ago though, when they first started, in my defense! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said: I said this in the other thread, but I find it super interesting how Duff claims to be a big supporter of the MeToo movement but when someone in his camp is accused, radio silence. I think it's pretty dumb to demand duff say something about this matter now. Why should he? 1 minute ago, allwaystired said: Interviewed him once. Shook his hand. Bleak. This was years and years ago though, when they first started, in my defense! Ugh, imagine that hand you shook raped babies. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRoseCDII Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Stay.Of.Execution said: I think it's pretty dumb to demand duff say something about this matter now. Why should he? Ugh, imagine that hand you shook raped babies. I’m not demanding anything. I literally said in my post I wanted this lineup to stay together and didn’t want a fallout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Just now, AxlRoseCDII said: I’m not demanding anything. I literally said in my post I wanted this lineup to stay together and didn’t want a fallout. Yea but why should duff be criticized for not having said anything the past 24 hours? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlRoseCDII Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Stay.Of.Execution said: Yea but why should duff be criticized for not having said anything the past 24 hours? In his defense I don’t know how I’d handle this either. I’m just saying it’s interesting and something worth noting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleTalkinComa Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Stay.Of.Execution said: I think it's pretty dumb to demand duff say something about this matter now. Why should he? @AxlRoseCDII said why; Duff not speaking up when it's in his camp makes him look like a hypocrite. Although it's still too early to make any judgment calls IMO. Edited November 23, 2023 by DoubleTalkinComa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgina Arriaga Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 And what Duff going to say? I have daughters, I'm on the womens side...good Lucky with that the me too moment Is full of wrongdoings and that Is a shame, that thing of doing justice AND cancelling people through the internet Is terrible in my opinion 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasmineSwe Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 43 minutes ago, D4NNY said: How would that be “No surprise”?? We all know Axl was a bit off the rails in the early days but I (and I’m sure many fans of Axl or the band) never once thought “hey that guy Axl surely was a rapest”. Because people with power tend to abuse that power. Why would Axl be any different? Just because we all idolize him on here, it shouldn't hinder us from seeing that a man in his position easily could have the feeling that they are free to do whatever they want without facing any consequences. It's happened countless times before. I'm not passing any judgement on this particular case, I'm speaking of general power dynamics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgina Arriaga Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, JasmineSwe said: Because people with power tend to abuse that power. Why would Axl be any different? Just because we all idolize him on here, it shouldn't hinder us from seeing that a man in his position easily could have the feeling that they are free to do whatever they want without facing any consequences. It's happened countless times before. I'm not passing any judgement on this particular case, I'm speaking of general power dynamics. And Is no only men, happens to womens too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rindmelon Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said: In his defense I don’t know how I’d handle this either. I’m just saying it’s interesting and something worth noting. I expect all band members will have been told to say nothing by legal reps. Even if not, Duff seems the most intelligent & savy of all of them I'm sure he probably realizes it's best to say nothing at the moment, it wouldn't surprise me if that changes way in the future though. A lot has happened since these guys put out there books, i would expect another from at least Duff and Slash in the next 10 to 15 years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayno Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said: I said this in the other thread, but I find it super interesting how Duff claims to be a big supporter of the MeToo movement but when someone in his camp is accused, radio silence. Granted I would like to see this band and lineup stay together for a while so I’m not rooting for some big fallout or anything. All I’m saying is that it’s very interesting. How did Slash call him when he paid a (unsuccesful) visit to Axl back in 2006? "Spineless", I presume? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasmineSwe Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, Georgina Arriaga said: And Is no only men, happens to womens too Yes, hence the first sentence in my post, "people" with power. In the third sentence I use "man" because we are discussing Axl, a man, here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DoMw94 Posted November 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2023 Why should Duff comment out of nowhere based on allegations against his co-worker? It's not really any of his business, not to mention the potential legal ramifications if he does. We haven't even heard from Axl yet, but people want Duff to comment based on the character he plays in public? Weird... 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Italian girl said: I only hope that other women won't follow this example It left bit time, tomorrow cese the statute of limitations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamsapple Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, DoMw94 said: We haven't even heard from Axl yet He did reply, through his lawyer, who isn't worth his salt in my opinion. Client doesn't have any recollection isn't denial, defense or even damage control, in context of the accusations and current social climate it's an open invitation for further escalation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoMw94 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, adamsapple said: through his lawyer So we haven't heard from Axl yet. If that's all there is, the assumption that Duff has something to say is bizarre at best Edited November 23, 2023 by DoMw94 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimiRose Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 1 hour ago, AxlRoseCDII said: I said this in the other thread, but I find it super interesting how Duff claims to be a big supporter of the MeToo movement but when someone in his camp is accused, radio silence. Granted I would like to see this band and lineup stay together for a while so I’m not rooting for some big fallout or anything. All I’m saying is that it’s very interesting. You're not suggesting they're only in it for the payday and everything else they do is merely to make sure they get paid the most money? never! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfierose Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Jamie Foxx stole the headline in The Times newspaper. Axl relegated to also! Jamie Foxx accused of sexual assault in New York bar Axl Rose also faces claim under state law that extends time victims can bring cases https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/49dead66-89e0-11ee-947e-24524bf233d8?shareToken=fc9849823f96a2ccf0baad189760d45b 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireSoul Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Riki Rachtman posted on FB, saying: Anybody can say anything 🤔 Vague but interesting, since he's mentioned and the woman says they're friends. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluegrassBlues Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, alfierose said: Jamie Foxx stole the headline in The Times newspaper. Axl relegated to also! Jamie Foxx accused of sexual assault in New York bar Axl Rose also faces claim under state law that extends time victims can bring cases https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/49dead66-89e0-11ee-947e-24524bf233d8?shareToken=fc9849823f96a2ccf0baad189760d45b There have been soooo many, I ready it was around like 4,000 cases that were filed? And a ton of them are big name celebrities 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, BluegrassBlues said: There have been soooo many, I ready it was around like 4,000 cases that were filed? And a ton of them are big name celebrities Then Axl don't feel alone now..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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