GUNS N' ROSES VAULT - IRON MOUNTAIN

[Rindmelon]

Was recently looking into some people who worked on Chinese Democracy and found out that Bob Koszela who is credited as an audio engineer was also a production manager at universal during 2008, he then joined something called Iron Mountain Entertainment Services in 2012. 
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bob-koszela-068b3413/
 

Iron mountain archive material for the movie industry and bands along with sports teams and pretty much anything you could think of from what I can tell, all stored in a temp and humidity controlled environment 220 Ft underground. You may remember the video below from last year that showed a DAT tape of Curly Shuffle? Well that was Iron Mountain. It's where Universal who Bob Koszela used to work for store there stuff, in fact he is in the video underneath as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxZPFNpB6yY

 

They have an Official Youtube channel of course so I have watched there videos and while watching a video on how they create 3D scans of DAT tapes i noticed this

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51bueR59AVA

That is the DAT tape for Beer & a Cigarette from 1992.... This video was uploaded 4 months ago which would at least suggest that at least some more GNR stuff has been archived recently.

 “We're talking about doing a Hanoi Rocks tune...” SLASH Guitar World Magazine February 1992.

 “We did a Hanoi Rocks tune but we decided not to put it on the album because we didn't wanna give Andy
 McCoy the money! McCoy's an asshole! The basic track was done but we never did any vocals for it. Slash Kerrang NO.485 March 12, 1994

Andy McCoy has accused the band of plagiarism and that the song Paradise City is made of riffs taken from several Hanoi Rocks songs. He believes the chorus is a slowed down version of a riff from Lost In The City.
 

I have found out other things here and there about Iron Mountain but don't want this post to be longer than it is however I will mention this.

Last year it was announced that TIME Studios along with UMG will be creating a 10 part documentary series on Iron Mountain. https://time.com/6277159/time-studios-gains-access-to-universal-music-groups-archive/ Each episode will focus on a specific band but it is unknown yet if one of them is GN'R or when or where it will be shown.

Going from what i have heard through listening to Iron Mountain reps speak at NAMM it's not just studio DATS archived by bands. We are talking video,film, unreleased songs, lyric sheets, original contracts, even Paul Huge may be in there for all we know.

Oh and don't go getting any funny ideas...they have armed security 
 

[DeNfr]

interesting stuff, thx...imagine the little treasures to listen & watch there...

_{plus Bob Koszela is the Father of Clipping} 

[Rindmelon]

Oh also if you remember the Izzy Machine Gun DAT's from a few years back that were found this is without a doubt where they were sent, those DATS from 95 also happen to be recorded on Ampex 456's just like Beer & a Cig was.

[DeNfr]

34 minutes ago, Rindmelon said:

Oh and don't go getting any funny ideas...they have armed security 

 

how armed are we talking here? 

 

just joking 

[MYWIFEMYLIFE]

I think we found where they keep Izzy

[Uncle Bob]

I hope The General leaks some day

...oh wait

[Voodoochild]

4 hours ago, Rindmelon said:

That is the DAT tape for Beer & a Cigarette from 1992.... This video was uploaded 4 months ago which would at least suggest that at least some more GNR stuff has been archived recently.
 

Why do you think that this GNR stuff was archived recently? Would that indicate that the band or Universal recently moved or accessed the tapes recently?

[Sweersa]

4 hours ago, Rindmelon said:

Oh and don't go getting any funny ideas...they have armed security 

That's all? Let's get the boys together for a road trip!

(Just kidding, of course) 

[username]

 

"only one may enter here, one whose worth lies far within: the diamond in the rough"

 

 

[Rindmelon]

5 minutes ago, Voodoochild said:

Why do you think that this GNR stuff was archived recently? Would that indicate that the band or Universal recently moved or accessed the tapes recently?

That specific DAT on the video was uploaded a few months ago, although to be fair that does not mean the footage itself is recent.

It would likely mean that they had recently received it when it was filmed however as I believe that is done early in the process

As for if they have been accessed recently.... A client can do that through what Iron Mountain refers to as a Smart Vault, I have found some information on how such a thing works but I need to research it more. But essentially if the client (i'm unsure if that is Universal or GN'R) wishes to see or hear that DAT tape they can request to do so through there Client Portal. They need a 16 digit key to get it and then they could request a 3D scan of the DAT and also a digitised version of what is on there in the highest lossless format.

[Sweersa]

25 minutes ago, username said:

 

"only one may enter here, one whose worth lies far within: the diamond in the rough"

 

 

Didn't Fernando/TB call all studios involved with the CD era or Guns recordings after the Village leaks and demand they send him any and all copies of their music to try to prevent additional leaks?

[rocknroll41]

5 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

Didn't Fernando/TB call all studios involved with the CD era or Guns recordings after the Village leaks and demand they send him any and all copies of their music to try to prevent additional leaks?

I hadn’t heard that before, but it would make sense. Not surprised in the slightest if that’s true.

[Rindmelon]

35 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

Didn't Fernando/TB call all studios involved with the CD era or Guns recordings after the Village leaks and demand they send him any and all copies of their music to try to prevent additional leaks?

Possible but at least a few of those studios had shut down completely by the time the locker leaks occurred, Dragon and Tennille had sold Rumbo in 03 and Bennet Studio's had too i think. I think it's likely any tapes were already archived by 2019 when the locker leaks happened. Having said that though those Izzy DATS turned up so who knows

[Sweersa]

4 hours ago, Rindmelon said:

Possible but at least a few of those studios had shut down completely by the time the locker leaks occurred, Dragon and Tennille had sold Rumbo in 03 and Bennet Studio's had too i think. I think it's likely any tapes were already archived by 2019 when the locker leaks happened. Having said that though those Izzy DATS turned up so who knows

Hopefully some additional CDs are found that contain rough reference mixes from those other studio sessions.  (2001-2005, please) 

[vloors]

[vloors]

From the ones labeled can see West arkeen, duff, izzy demos.

Gnr demos tooth puller and machine gun.

 

[KeyserSoze]

1 hour ago, vloors said:

From the ones labeled can see West arkeen, duff, izzy demos.

Gnr demos tooth puller and machine gun.

 

Duff + Billy Idol + Steve Stevens in there as well

[Rindmelon]

2 hours ago, vloors said:

Think I may have another picture of the machine gun DAT. Can't look now but if I remember right they were recorded same week oklahoma bomb happened. Which obviously sparked the song of the same name

[Blackstar]

9 minutes ago, Rindmelon said:

Think I may have another picture of the machine gun DAT. Can't look now but if I remember right they were recorded same week oklahoma bomb happened. Which obviously sparked the song of the same name

It was the day before the Oklahoma bombing (the date on the Tooth Puller etc. DAT is April 18, 1995 and the bombing was on April 19)

(This is from the same picture)

[Blackstar]

9 minutes ago, vloors said:

Theres a Reel 1 and Reel 2 in the stack below that but im unable to make out the song titles or even if they are GNR.

The date on Reel One seems to be 1997 and on Reel Two 1998, so they are not GN'R (since the DAT's in that storage place were Duff related, either GN'R or other Duff projects/collaborations).

[vloors]

1 minute ago, Blackstar said:

The date on Reel One seems to be 1997 and on Reel Two 1998, so they are not GN'R (since the DAT's in that storage place were Duff related, either GN'R or other Duff projects/collaborations).

Sorry I deleted.

I used a image zoomer and found they were both the Ya Yas reels

[BluegrassBlues]

That is some amazing detective work, great job! Do you think it means some things have been accessed recently by the band, or just where that documentary is being made? 

[Rindmelon]

3 hours ago, BluegrassBlues said:

That is some amazing detective work, great job! Do you think it means some things have been accessed recently by the band, or just where that documentary is being made? 

Thanks.

It's hard to say if the band have accessed material through the smart vault at any point either way. Who can access what depends on both who the client is (could either be GNR, or UMG) & also what there level of security is. 

So say for example if a movie studio was a client, one person at the studio may be able to request that a trailer for a movie is sent to them, but not be able to get a hold of the full movie, meanwhile another person at the same studio can have full access and get the movie and trailer. Hope this post makes sense I have been awake for a scary amount of time and am delirious lol.

I have a huge pile of annual reports to look through soon on the company and how it works so hopefully can figure out more in future about it. 

The documentary series will be called Deep Dive but like I say there's no word on if any of it will center around GNR yet.

3 hours ago, Blackstar said:

The date on Reel One seems to be 1997 and on Reel Two 1998, so they are not GN'R (since the DAT's in that storage place were Duff related, either GN'R or other Duff projects/collaborations).

Possibly 4 wheels no axl?

[Blackstar]

On 7/4/2024 at 8:40 AM, Rindmelon said:

Possibly 4 wheels no axl?

Like @vloors said, it seems to be a band called the Ya Ya's (unrelated to GN'R), probably this one:

https://www.discogs.com/artist/825723-The-Ya-Yas-2

[Ratam]

I hope never happen with IRON MOUNTAIN vault. Here in my country has an IRON MOUNTAIN subsidiary company and 10 + years ago has been a fire, apparently was to hide case of corrupt practices, cause it fire 10 firefighters die.