WhazUp Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 (edited) 5 hours ago, gavgnr said: Can somebody explain to me what the drum clipping criticism is all about? When audio is pushed "too loud", i.e. past the volume bounds of what is literally possible in a digital realm, it causes what it is called clipping where the signal literally gets "clipped" and cut off. The more you push the track past the boundries, the more it cuts off the audio information that goes past the threshold The ending result is crackling sounds, very similar to the popping and crackling you would hear if a pair of cheap headphones or speakers are blown out - except it is literally embedded into the audio file "Death Magnetic" by Metallica is a great example of hearing clipping all over the place. Typically producers/mixers do it because they sacrifice the quality of the audio in favor of making things seem "louder" and the perception of it being more powerful as a result. Going back to GNR, on the officially released version of The General there is the crackles/pops present on loud drum hits that are the classic symptom of compressing the hell out of a track and cranking it way too hot Edited July 27 by WhazUp 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 5 hours ago, gavgnr said: Can somebody explain to me what the drum clipping criticism is all about? The made the song so loud, that the drums (think of the song as a sound wave) were cranked too high to where their “waves” got clipped, in other words, outside of the audio spectrum in play. It is easier to demo in audio software rather than explain. Just imagine increasing the decibels of a sound wave too much, you see the waves getting taller and taller as the volume is increased, until they run off the screen. The missing data that is off the screen can’t be heard anymore and created a “popping” sound that I and others hear in both the leak and official release. Metallica did this on Death Magnetic, they said it was intentional. It’s a rookie mistake, and is the opposite of how they mixed Chinese, where they went with full dynamics. You ever notice how some CDs are louder than others? That’s because some are louder because it’s almost a “war” where people want their music to sound the loudest, but it hurts the music, and not just because of the risk of clipping. Even on the Perhaps CD, The General is annoyingly louder than Perhaps and the volume needs to be adjusted lower when The General comes on. If Guns ever does a new album and includes some or these singles, they will need to be remixed and remastered along with the other tracks on the CD, but with this band, who knows. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betterman Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Yes they work very well together and especially with some added orchestral intro. I have listened most to General though as it is available to streaming services and have it on my playlists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 I think I haven’t listened to TG since its video came out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabrph5 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 7 hours ago, Free Bird said: I think I haven’t listened to TG since its video came out. Same. I really like monsters and would love to hear a real studio version. TG is average at best, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karice Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 9 hours ago, Free Bird said: I think I haven’t listened to TG since its video came out. There's an official The General music video? 🤔 The only The General music video I saw was fan made and was just The General playing with a black screen. 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 2 hours ago, fabrph5 said: Same. I really like monsters and would love to hear a real studio version. TG is average at best, IMO. What do you mean real studio version? Just like the leak of The General, we've heard a low-quality version of the final product. The released version will sound better of course, but it will be the same mix of the same version of the song... It kind of reminds me of the early Better leaks - low quality mp3's, but it was still obviously a good song. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 20 minutes ago, Karice said: There's an official The General music video? 🤔 The only The General music video I saw was fan made and was just The General playing with a black screen. 😏 There is an official AI generated music video for The General. It should be easy to find it on YouTube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karice Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 47 minutes ago, Free Bird said: There is an official AI generated music video for The General. It should be easy to find it on YouTube Maybe that's the music video I was thinking of. Just a black screen with The General playing could have been AI Generated. 🤷♀️🤔💡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Just now, Karice said: Maybe that's the music video I was thinking of. Just a black screen with The General playing could have been AI Generated. 🤷♀️🤔💡 No, it was more like an animated Nightmare of a kid. Not just a black screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Here you are: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabrph5 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 19 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said: What do you mean real studio version? I guess sounding like a song every other band releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRmello77 Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 19 hours ago, Free Bird said: Here you are: I can easily listen to the song but I can't watch this video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangoSkank Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 On 7/21/2024 at 8:53 AM, gavgnr said: My last Holy Grail with this band is to hear Monsters with Bucket and Finck I salivate at this thought. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibbinson Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Monsters 👻 is awesome. Love the flow. Everything. My wife and child who not massive GnR fans. Love the song and sing along when it plays on my playlist. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karice Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) When I FIRST listened to The General I thought it sounded GOOD but I listened to it while being on a busy traffic Street. The SECOND time, I listened to The General, it was a MUCH quieter time and I thought,"The General sounds AWFUL. Axl's voice is FIGHTING with the music and it sounds JARRING, not GOOD . 🥴😵💫😳🥶☢️😱🤨 Listening while a bunch of noisy cars are passing by and listening in a much quieter time was night and day! 😱 Edited August 1 by Karice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavgnr Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) I love The General. More so because I think it means something to Axl - it’s like he’s telling a story of his childhood and how he he has transcended those troubles (or attempted to). Do I prefer Monsters? Yes, it’s more of a mainstream hit. Edited August 1 by gavgnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb91 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 I'm loving The General much more than I used to. It's really grown on me since it's been released and I play it a lot. I do agree Monsters is a better track and it's a shame it hasn't been officially released yet. I think The General would have worked better as a b-side to Monsters as opposed to Perhaps but get that Perhaps is a more accessible song. Wouldn't be surprised if Monsters ends up as the b-side for Atlas when they next tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betterman Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 We should start a petition to release Monsters as a Halloween single - it would make perfectly sense and hoped they should do it last year. But one year late is the normal for GNR so maybe this year... A halloween themed video with some shots of the band members as well, let Rob Zombie direct it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 2 hours ago, betterman said: We should start a petition to release Monsters as a Halloween single - it would make perfectly sense and hoped they should do it last year. But one year late is the normal for GNR so maybe this year... A halloween themed video with some shots of the band members as well, let Rob Zombie direct it! That would be really cool. And that's why it won't happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F*ck Fear Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 I listened to The General a few times when it first came out and haven't listened to it since. It's a very shit song, imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karice Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 (edited) On 8/2/2024 at 9:56 AM, F*ck Fear said: I listened to The General a few times when it first came out and haven't listened to it since. It's a very shit song, imo. It is. The General sounds AWFUL. I couldn't hear how AWFUL it REALLY sounds when I listened to it with a lot of noisy traffic, I thought,"The General sounds GOOD!" 😇😀🤭🥰😍🤩😜but when I FULLY heard it on a quiet day, I thought,"My God, the General sounds AWFUL! 😱😵💫🥶🤨😳☢️🥴 Edited August 10 by Karice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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